Message from @Pendell

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2018-11-17 17:25:47 UTC  

Blair is ignoring passports which are not state by state

2018-11-17 17:26:37 UTC  

lets take, for example, a drag king/queen who is fine with their sex.

2018-11-17 17:27:03 UTC  

so why is this quick reference needed when it doesn't really help?

2018-11-17 17:27:09 UTC  

and apparently causes problems

2018-11-17 17:57:54 UTC  

In my opinion, if having your biological sex recognized on legal documents is simply too much for you to handle, then you need to go to therapy.
Gender dysphoria cannot be relieve simply by denying objective reality, you have to accept what reality is and recognize it does not control your existence to really be at peace.
So if seeing your sex on a passport "triggers" you, that's not an issue with the US government, that's an issue with your inability to cope.

2018-11-17 18:09:44 UTC  

But what if personal safety? Being outed a trans when one blends just fine can be a real safety issue. Many trans look perfectly female even on medical exam. But being outed with documents can result in rather bad situations.

2018-11-17 18:11:57 UTC  

You're saying someone is going to physically assault you for being trans?

2018-11-17 18:12:36 UTC  

Not anyone in specific, but just a general portion of the population would assault you if they found out you were trans?

2018-11-17 18:19:39 UTC  

as i said, if it has no real useful purpose because it doesn't necessarily helpful even when dealing with people without dysphoria (for example, an effeminate looking guy that is clean shaven with long hair), then why have it?

2018-11-17 18:23:33 UTC  

the times change. A lot of hair metal rockers could have passed for chicks today. Blue used to be a female color and Pink a male color. What "looks" like male or female changes and plenty of people don't match it. Hell, what is male or female based on looks changes from culture to culture.

2018-11-17 18:23:44 UTC  

so, if it doesn't have a medical use, why have it?

2018-11-17 18:25:40 UTC  

People need to stop just accepting tradition as fact and question WHY was tradition. You can't throw it out without knowing why it was there in the first place (the problem with the left constantly throwing shit out because patriarchy or sexism/racism/ what have you), but keeping it just because it's the standard practice isn't useful either (the problem the right typically has. or had anyway).

2018-11-17 18:26:19 UTC  

identify the use, and determine if its still a valid or useful solution. Or at least come up with an alternative that accounts for this use.

2018-11-17 18:26:20 UTC  

I would debate that, but I respect your position.

2018-11-17 18:26:46 UTC  

debate what? or which part i should say?

2018-11-17 18:28:10 UTC  

The dismissal of tradition as a justification by itself. The practice of a tradition over time and the values that society instills within it can become a justification for its continuation on its own merits. That's not to say a sufficient reason to get rid of it can't exist, but it does mean that the reason should be a bit heftier than "It's Current Year".

2018-11-17 18:30:00 UTC  

where did i say it is good just to throw out tradition because its tradition? pretty sure i said thats the problem the left has.

2018-11-17 18:30:28 UTC  

i said don't just accept it as good or right just because it is tradition

2018-11-17 18:30:34 UTC  

slavery was a tradition

2018-11-17 18:31:48 UTC  

That is a good point, I've never known the legal recognition of gender to serve any real purpose... But I could be wrong on that.

2018-11-17 18:32:07 UTC  

If it doesn't really serve any use, then I'd be for eliminating that factor from the legal system altogether.

2018-11-17 18:33:23 UTC  

The (historic) reason is conscription/draft

2018-11-17 18:34:12 UTC  

you got documentation for that? i mean, seems valid and i'd believe it

2018-11-17 18:34:42 UTC  

but if that is the case, then the easy solution is to replace it with something like draft eligible or something.

2018-11-17 18:35:06 UTC  

Yep.

2018-11-17 18:35:33 UTC  

It was what I was told in my country.

2018-11-17 18:37:03 UTC  

I assume that would be the same reason for the US. Since the standing military doctrine requires forced drafting if full mobilization is required, as per current plans

2018-11-17 18:37:06 UTC  

The draft is BS anyways

2018-11-17 18:37:32 UTC  

It is but I doubt you can make it go away.

2018-11-17 18:38:10 UTC  

At least removing sex with draftee or something means you can bribe people to get out of it. Easier than going to Canada.

2018-11-17 18:38:50 UTC  

@DrYuriMom looks like we might have found a middle ground then.

2018-11-17 18:38:52 UTC  

I identify as a non draftable gender

2018-11-17 18:39:12 UTC  

You and basically everyone

2018-11-17 18:39:37 UTC  

XD mood

2018-11-17 18:39:54 UTC  

Aren't men denied the right to vote and such until they sign up for the draft

2018-11-17 18:40:16 UTC  

I read that on some right wing Tumblr meme

2018-11-17 18:40:47 UTC  

I was too β€œsmart” for my own good, so I was placed in the Royal Signal regiment.

2018-11-17 18:41:29 UTC  

@Pendell it would be more accurate to say you sign up for the draft when you register to vote.

2018-11-17 18:41:39 UTC  

And what if you just
Don't.

2018-11-17 18:41:49 UTC  

I think you default in when you turn 18 and get a license.

2018-11-17 18:42:00 UTC  

If you refuse to sign up for the draft can you get any of those things