Hi all. I thought it might be fun to join a server named after a mystical thing

You make it simpler to join than the FE 24/7 server where they argue almost exclusively using memes

Thanks anti vaxxers, for the measles comeback

@MrGiggles So glad we're in agreement on that

Yeah. They relegated me to their semi-banned section and told me I was not debating in the proper place even though their mods didn't seem to catch that memo

That place is a joke

@Citizen Z 24 light, which comes from the sun obviously

Ya know that Antarctica isn't the only place to witness the midnight sun phenomenon, don't you

Norway is sometimes called the land of the midnight sun

Time lapses

How the heck do you think someone can possibly make a claim that there are months on end of no sunset and get away with that? That would be disprove easily

If it was false

Thanks

Wonder why what

You mean like various countries or just Antarctica?

Well now you're asking about different topics

For me, first of all, I ask myself why would people lie about these things. I don't think flat earthers think that way. They seem to assume that somebody is definitely lying

Standards of evidence, huh? That's through scientific demonstration. But if you assume scientists engage in an elaborate, long-lasting, worldwide lie there's no helping you really

All of the scientific explanations that are given and easily researchable to support the globe model makes it pretty darn elaborate and worldwide at that

If it's all just a lie

Google earth is great. Based on WGS84 same as your phone or car GPS

Or heck, airplane GPS too

Well we track magnetic north to be moving slightly east

Alright I'll stop you right there. Flat earthers want everything to be verified by the individual but 99% of them can't be bothered to follow that same standard for their beliefs

So don't give me that

@MrGiggles Indeed, and as a member of Navigation division in the Navy we relied on spherical map projections called Mercator. Tolerance was very little for error because underwater mountains exist and we were a submarine

Horizontal plane, meaning of you connect the dots to form a straight path

Just wondering why no flat earth map can show Australia at anywhere near its correct size

Oh good so you believe it exists lol

I've been to Alaska personally

Pretty sure that 0.0% of cartographers believe the earth is flat

Gotta verify it yourself they say. But they rarely follow that standard. And when I tell them of my experiences in the Navy with GPS and charts and gyroscopes they dismiss that

@MrGiggles I like asking them how they know whether a photo is CGI or not. They have no answer

If it's spherical it's gotta be CGI huh

Also "show me the curve" when I've been waiting patiently to see the dome or ice wall lol

I mean if after 4-5 of this flat earth resurrection they still cannot show us footage of the ice wall something ain't right

4-5 years that is

They believe the ice wall is a literal ring around the perimeter of the world

You're telling me every square foot of the perimeter of the world is highly guarded?

Exactly, you can go there. No excuses. So where's the ice wall footage

It's a fair question

You can even take a telescope and stay within safe distance even if it is highly guarded

Literally no excuses

@MrGiggles I also like showing they have no concept of scientific principles such as perspective and laws of motion

The sun disappears by perspective by disappearing below the horizon but an aircraft can disappear by becoming too small to see...
You cannot have it both ways. Perspective doesn't have a special rule for the sun

Yes

Oh god yeah they do that

We're dealing with people who say things like "if the earth moves, we would feel it"

Even though you can be in a car or plane ride and not feel the speed at all

True, they wish to believe they have special knowledge. It bolsters their self esteem. Sad.

For sure

I know it's an emotional attachment for many of them. I've seen them say that the heliocentric model makes them feel insignificant because it says we are just a tiny speck

And flat earth makes them feel special

I got BM Furball to ask Nathan Roberts in the interview why he believes the bible says the earth is flat despite the countless Christians who disagree

I asked him to ask that in a comment before the video went live and Nathan admitted it's an interpretation

Not anymore. Was on fe 24/7 for a little while. They banned me lol. They aren't looking for an actual debate

Dunno if anyone saw that debate on FTFE's channel today but it was a dumpster fire

Indeed

Well they argue using memes and worthless youtube videos

Instead of their own words

That was my experience. They wouldn't address my points so I brought up that Mt Rainier photo which is impossible on a flat earth and they banned me

Maybe. It had people from ice wall server in it

It was a 3 way debate. Globe earth, flat earth, and simulation theory lol

The latter must have been a joke tho

@Bibleman So only being a non-denominational a Christian is the correct way to go?

@Deleted User You were in that debate today weren't you?

The host that declared himself the winner right?

Until close to the end, the questions were irrelevant

Most questions were unimportant, some irrelevant yet intriguing, and just a couple that were pertinent

I still haven't heard the dome-believing flat earther explanations for why we can sometimes witness a large rock flying closer to the Earth than the moon

Doesn't jive with your whole worldview

@Bibleman Yes, witness, like with a basic commecially-bought telescope

Or maybe you believe that telescopes are instruments of Satan and dismiss it at that

@Edillon Good job. I hear crickets...

@Lee Lushy Lol true

FE 24/7 is trash

Complete cancerous place. They don't wish for a real debate

They absolutely, positively don't

They ban globe earthers left and right for mere disagreements

Happened to me

I was no troll

They were trolls, even their mods

They argue using memes and worthless youtube vids

Spamming them

I didn't bring up that server first

Was giving my contrary experience

So far this place is better

Wouldn't be surprised

Phuket Word huh? That guy is one of the dumbest flat earthers

He lately believes that the sky is an actual liquid at some point

He's made demonstrations of perspective which accidentally debunk his own position

I don't take him seriously anymore

Well yeah that's likely where he gets it from. Here's his reasoning:

It gets colder as you rise in elevation. At some point the oxygen, nitrogen, etc turns into liquid

Even though the temps for that to occur are known as are the temps in the atmosphere

And high altitude balloons don't get wet nor show signs of contraction or freezing from extremely low temps that would have to be present for those liquids

Nor an explanation of how those liquids would stay suspended in the air

Basically "I believe X" and "I'm not going to address the problems with my positon"

That's fine. So what's the observation that leads to that hypothesis, I'd ask

Or the one that leads to the hypothesis of a firmament existing