Message from @BubbleBurster

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2019-08-18 22:17:10 UTC  

Yeah. They relegated me to their semi-banned section and told me I was not debating in the proper place even though their mods didn't seem to catch that memo

2019-08-18 22:17:25 UTC  

That place is a joke

2019-08-18 22:18:12 UTC  

@BubbleBurster let's go to civil debate @Citizen Z

2019-08-18 22:18:46 UTC  

Why do you care so much

2019-08-18 23:28:15 UTC  

Dunno if anyone saw that debate on FTFE's channel today but it was a dumpster fire

2019-08-19 00:23:20 UTC  

@BubbleBurster the one that took place here in icewall?

2019-08-19 00:27:11 UTC  

Maybe. It had people from ice wall server in it

2019-08-19 00:28:07 UTC  

It was a 3 way debate. Globe earth, flat earth, and simulation theory lol

2019-08-19 00:28:17 UTC  

The latter must have been a joke tho

2019-08-19 00:32:13 UTC  
2019-08-19 02:20:35 UTC  

Phuket Word huh? That guy is one of the dumbest flat earthers

2019-08-19 02:21:34 UTC  

He lately believes that the sky is an actual liquid at some point

2019-08-19 02:22:00 UTC  

He's made demonstrations of perspective which accidentally debunk his own position

2019-08-19 02:22:10 UTC  

I don't take him seriously anymore

2019-08-19 02:23:07 UTC  

A lot of flat-earthers believe in a ‘waters above’ as described in the Bible iirc

2019-08-19 02:23:37 UTC  

Well yeah that's likely where he gets it from. Here's his reasoning:

2019-08-19 02:24:13 UTC  

It gets colder as you rise in elevation. At some point the oxygen, nitrogen, etc turns into liquid

2019-08-19 02:24:37 UTC  

Even though the temps for that to occur are known as are the temps in the atmosphere

2019-08-19 02:24:59 UTC  

Hmm

2019-08-19 02:26:57 UTC  

And high altitude balloons don't get wet nor show signs of contraction or freezing from extremely low temps that would have to be present for those liquids

2019-08-19 02:27:15 UTC  

Nor an explanation of how those liquids would stay suspended in the air

2019-08-19 02:27:48 UTC  

Basically "I believe X" and "I'm not going to address the problems with my positon"

2019-08-19 02:28:59 UTC  

The mesopause is the coldest part of the atmosphere and it’s still well above the boiling point of those gases

2019-08-19 02:29:48 UTC  

I think most people who believe in ‘waters above’ think that it’s above the firmament

2019-08-19 02:31:21 UTC  

That's fine. So what's the observation that leads to that hypothesis, I'd ask

2019-08-19 02:31:35 UTC  

Or the one that leads to the hypothesis of a firmament existing

2019-08-19 02:31:48 UTC  

Idk

2019-08-19 02:32:13 UTC  

You can only get to those hypotheses biblically. And that is NOT a valid launching point in science

2019-08-19 02:32:27 UTC  

True

2019-08-19 02:33:57 UTC  

And then even if you'd like to proceed with the scientific method, more power to you. But how would you test the accuracy of these claims?

2019-08-19 02:34:07 UTC  

There's just no evidence

2019-08-19 02:35:41 UTC  

And if God gave us a rational and scientific brain that cannot be utilized to discover him, that's some sick joke

2019-08-19 02:36:36 UTC  

Even if I believed in a god, I wouldn't believe in a god like that

2019-08-19 02:39:54 UTC  

In my later years of being a Christian, I believed that God’s existence was unfalsifiable, but that we were just supposed to have faith, and use science for everything else.

2019-08-19 03:18:56 UTC  

Yeah I call that compartmentalizing

2019-08-19 03:19:26 UTC  

If it doesn't cause someone to deny science I'm not that concerned about it

2019-08-19 03:19:34 UTC  

But it sometimes does

2019-08-19 04:43:29 UTC  

hello fellow flatties

2019-08-19 04:43:31 UTC  

Well, you can't really prove or disprove the existence of a deity through science, it's why there's a part of philosophy that deals with metaphysics, the word literally means "the thing after physics". But having faith in a god shouldn't prevent you from using your brain and exploring the world around you.
I believe most FE people here are Christians so I will refer to the Christian Bible. In Matthew 25:14-30, The parable of the Talents, the master gets angry at the servant who buried his talent in the ground. God doesn't want humans to just be lazy and do nothing, he wants them to use the talents he gave them to better themselves. By extension, using science in order to explore and explain his creation is part of what he wants from humans.
It's pretty sad to see conspiracy theorists hide behind their bible to justify absolutely ridiculous things. God gave you a massive universe to marvel in and you sit in your basement and believe that the government is trying to dupe you into thinking the earth is a globe and that climate change is a hoax. This only shows they are lazy and misunderstand the message of the bible.

2019-08-19 04:43:32 UTC  

I need 'Embed Links', 'Read Message History', 'Manage Messages', and 'Add Reactions' permissions!

2019-08-19 04:43:33 UTC  

Questioning what you've learned and doing experiments on your own is great, but you still need to apply the scientific method. So far, every experiment that supposedly proves that the earth is flat always had a flaw in the approach, but instead of accepting this, FE just turn a blind eye and continue to spread their ignorance and claiming that they are doing the work of God. The bible is mainly comprised of parables, it was never meant to be used as a scientific reference. If it were meant to be a scientific book, there would be experiments, measurements, equations and data.

With all the proof about a globe, there's no real reason to believe the earth is flat. Anyone who says so is either the product of a failed education system or someone who is trying to take advantage of others. And what baffles me is how many books does one need to understand "be nice to others". This verse pretty much sums it up: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." John 13:34