@GandalfTheGreen what do you guys think of the fact that all solar eclipses are perfectly predicted with spherical earth and heliocentric model

@GandalfTheGreen sorry bro

it's based on ephemerides

oh ya i do

@GandalfTheGreen so ya what makes you say that modern eclipse paths use that ancient device?

Did that ancient device work all over the world?

@Steve Angell I love watching flerfers try to explain the pressure gradient

Suddenly all the rules about following the scientific method go out the window

And are replaced by baseless speculation

@GandalfTheGreen that has nothing to do with solar eclipses

Which is what I was talking about

@GandalfTheGreen ya but that moves

Quite a bit

@🍄The Mad Philosopher🍄 so? Eclipses today aren't predicted with that

So, they arent

So you have to explain how this method is accurate if it uses the wrong info

So how is this method accurate

Which doesn't use the pattern machine at all

@rightthehand lol 'popular'

yes b/c children are brainwashed with it

sorry that's been confirmed with experiments

unlike anything you cling to

e.g. temperature gradient creating a pressure gradient

@GandalfTheGreen So yeah solar eclipses are still predicted today with gravity, spherical earth, and heliocentric model, wanna see how?

@United Netherlands name a force that isn't 'magical'

@United Netherlands does the electrical force exist?

what makes those forces

like why does that happen when i push on something

seems magical

no, but it seems magical

just like what you said about gravity

how are the observable and measurable?

how is that measured

none of those are forces

one is power , one is N-m, the other is meters

how do you measure thrust, what instrument

what is moving the dial

yes but you can't see forces

so is gravity

so are all the forces you describe

@rightthehand wrong

@rightthehand no butting in until you correct your retardedness

@United Netherlands i can say the same about all the forces you talk about

thanks

@rightthehand lol so wrong

again and again goldfish

@rightthehand watch this. tell me the cause of the electrical force

crickets

now, a deflection is coming....... watch for it

@United Netherlands what makes a helium balloon go FORWARD when a car accelerates FORWARD

why does't it go backwards

@rightthehand your difference in pressure idea doesn't explain why a balloon goes up

only gravity explains taht

yep sure does

let's walk through it

with gravity, we'd get a pressure gradient

with a pressure gradient, you'd get a buoyant force

and if an object is less dense that the fluid, then the buoyant force exceeds the gravitational force

and it moves upwards

explains observations perfectly

@Citizen Z those examples don't factor in gravity, b/c at that scale it would confound the point

@Citizen Z oh i'd love to talk thermodynamics with you

lets start with this, do you know how many laws of thermo there are?

Oh he's right

all that is accurate

FOr what reason are you citing that

Funny how a helium balloon in the free-fall plane doesn't go up, it stays in one spot

@Citizen Z Why do you trust he's right though, I mean MIT profressors also talk about gravity

Feel free to tell me where they are wrong about gravity

@GandalfTheGreen k

@GandalfTheGreen you seem reasonable

lemme ask you something

@Citizen Z so why do you think its right? you cited it

ok cool

are those large enough to show the effect of gravity?

well a little bit it is...

but on a short object, the effect is small

wanna know how?

well first tell me what you're expecting to happen, which ISN'T happening, regarding this air rushing thing

well we can use science to determine which is righit

so can I

but i fear your conclusions are based on inaccurate understanding

ok lets explore that

isn't strong enough to do what

true, and i don't

so what isn't gravity strong enough to do

i think this is where you're misstepping

@Seeker of Truth why would it have to be that must flowrate from one tree?

got any math that suggests this?

perhaps rate of consumption?

k

i'll take that as "don't know"

sounds like another unscientific claim

which is exactly your criticism of gravity. so that's a bit hypocritical

So i have a question for all flat earthers : how is it that maps based on a globe are accurate?

As in we can test them ourselves

k

back that claim up

b/c they sure do work when i need to go anywhere