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Civil Debate Only. No Insults or ad hominem. Attack the argument not the person. No profanity. No Racism. Please bring religious debate to <#484515915069784085>. Thank You.
So what do you guys think of the civil war
what civil war?
I thought it was cool when that one guy did that one thing
Hey just chilling
oh yeah yeah
yeah oh yeah
Oh yeah yeah
Gotta set up the other channels
*mumbles about government oppression*
Gun control does not work
It works for the criminals
You got me
first thing I want to show you guys is a type of ferrocell and you're about to see what it can do here but basically it gives you an entire view of the not only the dielectric inertial filled but the entire toroid around the magnetic field this is absolutely amazing I have never seen such incredible detail on this but if you look at it it's just stunning and this really is a very very good representation of the e m field that surrounds the Earth and I don't mean the globe Earth I mean the Flat Earth because the center this part of it there is is where we are that is called the plane and from that you have the centripetal and centrifugal lines of force that actually do all the magic
Next electro static potential in the air we are literally swimming in it. Its what WE call gravity
Original presentation of gravity heard me talk about Richard feynman s findings of electrostatic energy that is actually emanating from the earth and its showing that there is an electrostatic potential that runs roughly about 100 volts for meter and supposedly has been taken up to 50 km. electromagnetic soup okay it is in my opinion and many others what we are calling gravity gravity is not something that is caused by mass attracted to each other it is not something that is caused by bent space -globebusters https://youtu.be/p2QQqN4x_Os https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465708086166945792/unknown.png http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu
Much of the following explanations adapted from Nobel prize-winning physicist Richard Feynman lecture on physics section called electricity in the atmosphere. For every meter you go up in the air the voltage increases by around 100 volts or we could say around 100 volts per yard. We can draw these voltage increases what we call equipotential lines. The ground is negative and the sky is positive. This extends upwards 50 km or 31 miles where the air is very conductive. -globebusters https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465714681340887042/equalpotential_lines_2.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465714688324403210/equalpotential_lines.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465716617192538112/electricity_in_the_atmosphere.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419246750260264960/465716476536684554/electricity_in_the_atmosphere_2.PNG https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585885068984321/465716637845422101/electricity_in_the_atmosphere_2.PNG
A static electric field it is acknowledged by mainstream science there is no doubt that it is there and like I said anybody that's done any Tower work or ever managed to come across ground when you're on top of a skyscraper or anything like that and you basically get the crap knocked out of you buy a static electric charge you certainly understand that it is definitely there
This is a great compilation of evidence for very strange things like rotation and electrostatic effects and I want to show you guys some technologies that have been discussed in this and put a couple minutes in this video but again what this whole thing is about is about Antigravity perpetual motion everything and it has absolutely nothing to do with trying to do anything with gravity because they don't even know it what it is
some technology that has been created by scarab beetle wings and a couple other things. Exactly why because the the government's and the powers-that-be certainly don't want this technology coming out they have done their best to quash it in every way shape and form but you know again that's that's simply not going to be happening anytime soon I think it's going to come out more and more and really it's it's beginning to look like the secret to Antigravity is a combination of a couple things... being able to manipulate the electro static charge of somthing.. and the other thing that seems to be a big player in this is rotation... spin.....as in gyroscope and we talked about that. Where you basically can take a gyroscope spin it up even if it weighs 50 lb on the flywheel that you're doing you can lift it usually with one finger right over your head and the only price that you're paying in return to that is is you must rotate around with it too kind of dissipate off some of that weight in a different motion. -globebusters https://youtu.be/fVF4T0OXHkU
The Hutchinson effect...http://www.thefullwiki.org/Hutchison_effect it has been in a largely written off as whatever anything other than legitimate and again this is what they do they don't want anybody looking into this and they just need to watch nothing to see here folks just some weird electrical effect about this electrostatic field and how it is absolutely our gravitational effect. They talked about this static potential and give a demonstration, an experiment that basically lets you see that this is likely what is keeping the water in the rain clouds, these tons and tons of water in the air is a static diabolic alignment effect
To bring this further... the University of Bristol and this is fascinating guys we've all seen the little flying spiders flying around and they call this affect ballooning, and it has been previously thought at least asserted by mainstream Scholars that what is happening here with the spiders is there simply throwing their silk in the wind and it's catching the air and they are able to fly around with it.
We have just seen the people at this University set up their own controlled experiment without wind and just simply emulating and electrostatic field that would be equivalent to roughly that 100 volts per meter that we saw with Richard feynman described and they're literally able to navigate around it simply by changing the charge potential of the silk that they're putting out -globebusters
If the Ice Wall exists why can't i see it from a tall mountain if the earht is flat?🤔
Why cant I see you from here
no no no
u got it all wrong
the earth is obviously a triangle
Please no trolling.
also this server should make a trolls chat, where everybody there is a troll, and a troll roll, ooh that rhymes :D)
I have that. But you won't be able to talk here anymore.
I can give you access to that. Just dont troll here.
Number one you have what's called visibility. We have many things in the atmosphere such as moisture that prevent you from seeing infinitely.
WHAT CAUSES GREAT VISIBILITY?
Even if you went to a tall mountain and took away everything such as moisture, humidity, fog, clouds, rain, snow, pollen and dirt particulates out or even just removed the atmosphere completely, (which is impossible) there is still what's called optical slant and angular resolution.
Remember there is probably 5 storms between north American and Europe. How many storms are between your nearest mountain and Antarctica?
If the moon is thousands of miles up, why can we see the moon in daytime even through the entire atmosphere, but the world record for farthest distance seen is, I think 275 miles?
If we can't see infinitely far on a flat Earth due to debris, humidity, etc... why can we see craters on the moon in daytime using telescopes when the moon is at least a thousand miles up, but we can hardly see over 250 miles looking straight even when using telescopes?
You can only see the moon if its clear and no clouds
I dont think the moon is as far as its claimed to be.
Looking sideways has more atmosphere to look through.
When you look sideways, the angles of light become more and more shallow as you look further and things disappear much quicker
What was it?
Like 400 distance closer to the sub and 400x smaller or something.
It allows eclipses
The earth is a trapiziod
Do flat earthers have an explanation for why there is a Southern polar star but no South pole on any flat Earth models?
If we were on a spinning ball we would see straight lines across the sky not perfect circuits around the magnetic poles as if it's a magnetic field.
From that very last image, im guessing that's supposed to be a globe and the lines are showing the star trails
Those are straight lines from that perspective, but that isn't the same perspective of the stars that we have standing on Earth.
The lines are straight from the perspective of, let's say, floating in space away from Earth with the stars that close, but from the perspective of being on Earth, you can see the lines from the trails, and the ones away from your near center vision, about to the left and right, let's say the north and south poles were to the left and right, are visibly circles and not straight lines.
It's hard to explain, and is mostly visual
I explained that poorly, but a better version is that it's like hula hoops. If you have a hula hoop and hold it out towards you perfectly horizontally, it can look like a straight line. But when you raise the hula hoop above your head, it's a circle.
So by saying the star trails are like a hula hoop you are saying the stars are moving and the earth is stationary. Either way the lines are straight.
Cuz if you wanted to model it right. You would need to say we are standing on the outside of the hulu hoop, looking outward, in which case the lines would be straight also. I dont think you understand how simple this is. Star trails prove we are not on a spinning ball. Doesn't mean it's a flat earth. Just not a spinning ball.
The lines are curved because the earth is spinning, those images you provided support the claim that the earth is found
No. The images show the star circuits matching a basic toroidial field. If we were on a spinning ball you would see straight lines if you looked directly above you. But you dont, you see rounded circuits bending around the poles just as if you are looking at toroidial field from below it.
Those images of the stars aren't looking straight up, and one of them is using a wide angled lense
If you used a regular lense and positioned your camera so that the stars were completely vertical, they would be straight
They dont look straight because we aren't on a spinning globe
No they dont look straight
Show me straight star trails away from the equator
How straight, for each trail to be straight?
Ima eat then brb
They would all be straight if you were on a spinning ball
Watch the video. There is more to it then what I've said
Ok, now I get what you're saying.
The photo at 4:53 is using a wide angled lens I think, but the other photos, that's just how it would look on a spinning ball. The star trails you made on paper would look like straight lines, but that isn't the perspective people take photos from on Earth. If you drew the star trails *on* the ball, not away from it, then the stars would curve away from the equator because those stars aren't on the equator. Only the stars on the equator make straight lines.
Stars basically curve away from the equator because they aren't aligned with the equator, or not on the equator, so they're "trailing" but angled away from the equator
It's hard to explain because it's mostly visual, but try drawing it from the perspective of being on the ball, and it would do the same thing.
Perspective. That's a new one for the globe theory 😂
Im not talking about the perspective formula or whatevs, Im talking about the angle at which you look at something
From the angle you drew on paper, the lines are straight. From the perspective of standing *on* the ball, it would look the same as in the photos.
You're drawing the star trails from a different perspective than the actual photos
Quick question: @Citizen Z you said that the stars follow paths similar to that of a magnetic field. Slight problem with that, a flat Earth can't have two magnetic poles that would result in a field of that shape, because South has to always point outwards. Since the south pole would be stretched out over the ice wall, kind of like a ring magnet, you wouldn't get the patterns seen above, because there's no pole for the stars to move around.
yeh, same reason why a southern polar star is impossible on a flat Earth yet it exists
Think of a bar magnet
Yes, I am thinking of a bar magnet. The problem is that it doesn't work. A bar magnet has two distinct poles, around which the field can form. A flat Earth does not have two distinct poles around which that field can form.
Yes we do. The north and south
And where is the South Pole located on the Flat Earth map?
Who said I had a map
We dont know exactly how it could work. We just know something ain't right. I was asked for an explanation of how the stars could work. I think I've provided an alternative. I wont be able to answer every question obviously. I just find it interesting how it looks
And uh, the star movements don't match Earth's magnetic field... They match the field of a magnet if that magnet was up in the sky, causing the stars to move around it.
I also appreciate how interesting it looks though.
Think of a bar magnet in the sky
hello yes I wish to debate
hello yes debate?
yeah but i might take a few to respond
goodbye no agreement
not sure if anyone else will join but they are welcome
earth is round
no, it cant be due to sight distances.
wdym sight distances
the fact if the earth was round we would be able to see as far
as we do
so you're saying the earth is round
round like a pizza with stuffed crust
ok so i'm just going to assume there was a typo and you meant we wouldn't
sight is infinite unless something is obstructing your view
how is it wrong
WHAT CAUSES GREAT VISIBILITY?
causes great visibility
I was gonna start a vaccine debate but guess not.
as long as the light can reach your eye
you can see it
yes, that's literally how eyes work
no its not
it depends on the angle the light is coming to your retina
Do you think earth is round or flat?
light goes into eye and into your optic nerve
if the angle becomes as shallow as .02 degrees, the light is unresolvable
causing the wonderful thing known as sight
plus you have atmosphere
I think the earth is round
there is priolly 5 storms between you and the tallest mountain
plus angular resolution
lmao a really bad storm just went over us yesterday actually
if you can debunk angular resolution let me know
wdym angular resolution
look it up
tallest, highest, or furthest from the center of the earth Z :^)
as long as there are no obstructions, you can see
things disappear bottom up depending on the angle of view
Teith is right
no teith is not right
light focuses into your lens then bounce around your eye things then go into your optical nerve
teith he is making the point that at far enough distances things dont reflex or emit enough lights for your eyes to distinguish them
you guys dont know how optics works
Hey citizen, can you show me that 1 flat earth image pls?
yes, there is light coming from them, just not enough light
as long as there is light
you can see it
no matter how far away you are
it may be hard to distinguish but you can see it
teith, that isnt true
light doesn't just stop moving like that
can you see a coin from a mile away?
if thr light gets to a degree of less than .02 the eye cant resolve it
ok, do it
no you cant
it'll be hard to make out, but you can see it
like REALLY REALLY hard to make out
but you can technically see it
teith, you cant phyically see it
you can see it
listen guys, optics doesnt prove the flat earth, it just debunks parts of the globe earth evidences like things disappearing from the bottom up due to obstruction.
which is a pretty big deal
globe earth doesnt measure curve
they just see obstruction and then equate it to curevature
when in reality it is just the way we see
the simple fact that you can see the sky is disproving that entire idea
If space isn’t real explain stars and meteors.
the sky is on a steep angle
ok but that's from a flat earther's point of view
relax for a moment and watch the video
why don't you take a look from a globe earther's point of view
I can't i'm at school
Hol up chief
k then we are done till you can watch the video and understand where we are coming from
I understand where you are coming from
cuz you arent comprhending
no you dont
you are saying you see the curve because of the way your eyes work
you just said light in the sky is seen the same way light would be seen from thousands of miles away sideways
you believe that sight isn't infinite and that you just stop seeing after a certain distance/angle
i never said you stop seeing
i said it becomes unresolvable
there is a difference
you can see it
but it's hard to make out
I can prove it because I have glasses and stuff
you are superman?
cuz of glasses?
you don't get it
Glasses have a fish eye lens clearly Kappa
if I don't have my glasses on
i am Übermensch
and I look at a sign that's far away
i put a video up. im done talking till you watch it and get my point of view.
I see that there's a sign, but I can't make out what it says until I put my glasses on
I will post text
i do like numbers
For you to read
citizen, you believe the earth is flat right?
Then I'm done till you see whats going on
if you were on a hill and someone lit a candle 50 kms away
would you be able to see it
your own source says no
"you can even see a candle flame flickering up to 30 mi. (48 km) away"
BuT GOOGle Is CoNtRoLED B Y GOVERNMENT
well, your own source only says to 48 km 😹
what is 48 rounded up
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