no I'm not, I'm not selfish and neither is anyone else who wants to put food into their own kids mouths instead of paying for some idiot on welfare to get another dime bag or grab another 6 pack, or even just to pay for his mersedes payment

and no, it's not Altruism, because paying for that shit has to be willingly done, not forced to do it

no you aren't

you are trying to guilt people into accepting that Altrusim's definition is to be leeched off ot

*of

and it's not

and it isn't working

no it's not

it's definition is to willingly help a person

you are the one not wanting to see it for what it truly is and are trying to force people to see it your way.

if you force a person to pay for someone and have them be dependent on you, it's not Altruism

then they need to be taught how to live on their own

you can't just expect people to continuously pay for them, and then when the peopel who they relied on dy out, they will be left alone and they will die too because they don't know how to do anything for themselves

which if the human race expects to get anywhere, they will start by starting to cut people off of welfare that have nothing wrong with them

no it's not

and you knwo it

and when I got here, you were telling people that beingforced to be someone's personal bank account was a selfless act

which it's not

@Enigmus most walk by because they can't help, because they can barely afford to feed themselves despite working

if you were to do what you wanted, no one would be able to afford anything, not ot mention there would be no rule in what is a market and what isn't

slavery was a free and open market without regulation

look how that turned out

yes, and Hitler and Stalin were nutters

because they coudln't see past the noses on their faces when it came to that

individual rights were a thing back then too, it still happened

because there were no laws or regulations on the markets and what could and could not be a good or service

yeah, slaves gave themselves up willingly to be slaves!

OMG LMFAO!!!!! WOW

look, going to be real honest

there was fear mongering and coercion, and down right threats

I can tell you that a lot of the men on the battlefield and even in the SS did NOT want to be there

they were forced to

so it's not Altruistic in the slightest

before that, he wasn't talking about killing people, he was talking about having Germany be apart of the modern world again, when Germany had been forced to sign a declaration stating that they would never hold an army nor amass troops, essentially leaving thme defenceless

how about read a bit of history

^

no it didn't

people were forced to war then too by conscription

and a small group of leaders used their citizens as the weapons and not by the citizen's choice mind you

@JadenFrostwolf lol exactly

they did not choose to be there

no, that's not what he meant and you know it

you definition of Altruism is really warped dude

weo don't just have rights, rights have come about through science and experience, not to mention out of baser instincts lol

not necessarrily

the main debate was the definition of Altruism, at least where I came in and it's gone from there

why do you sound like you are trying to convert peopel to your thought process

you are trying to convert people to it, is what that is lol

but again, ultimately I guess it's all a matter of opinion

oh? he must have done that before I got here then lol

OH I was there for that, yeah, you are trying to convert people

that's not something someone says when they are annoyed, that's what someone says when their conversion tactics aren't working and they are loosing the argument to try and convert someone

so you admit you were trying to get others to believe in your warped definition of Altruism?

look, talk to me when you aren't trying to convert people lol

why?

@Enigmus I...I don't knwo how to feel about that....I mean traumatized is one feeling...but that's besides the point

@ping it's probably a really cheap fursuit at that

actually a high quality suit runs a person into the thousands, and most peopel that have those, do charity events and such at hospitals for kids and whatnot

...what? lol

....no comment lol

what is that?

they shouldn't bother

they should be adults and find a different baker

for every 1 baker that chooses not to bake their cake, there are 800 more who will

just like places that don't want to hold gay weddings, for every place that doesn't there are 800 more that will

see...that's where the bakery is in the wrong, they shouldn't have done that, I do't agree with them doing that if that's true. They have the right to leave the review.

The books are masterpieces, I love them dearly. Though I gave my copies to my grandfather so he has them now lol

No matter where we go, no matter where we colonize in the galaxy, we are always going to have countries like Russia and America, and even North Korea

the extremely free all the way down to the extremely controlled. no matter how far we advance in tech, medicine, anything really, opinion will always be different when it comes to each individual person.

I agree lol, we have changed a lot, I was talking just opinion in general, because even back then, opinions on a lot were different too.

I knew a girl who still went on to get her high school and a uni degree after having twins in her teens...there's no excuse for not getting it

she worked really hard to get it, and her kids will benefit from it, so the whole being in poverty for having a child young isn't really truly a thing. You just need to work harder to get there.

yeah, the girl I knew had no one, her mother watched them maybe once a month, but other than that, no, no one helped her

she did and the teachers were more than happy with putting up with tyhat than her not being there

even in high school, the school was more than happy to let her bring her children with her, and she got A's and B's

you just have to ask

explain it, talk to people, more often than not, places are willing to help

see that was the thing, the teachers werne't dealing with them. She just brought them

she would excuse herself if they were getting fussy and whatnot, and she woudl excuse herself to feed them, but she didn't let the teachers deal with anything

what's going on?

I think they have every right

The Japanese have the righ to control immigration the way they do just like every other country. Jaden is right though, the same people that are upset that lets say Scotland wants to remain majority white, aren't saying anything against the Japanese who rarely let anyone in

to the Japanese, it's morally right for them to want to protect their own and protect their culture and the way their country is standing at the moment

Morality is the same for everyone, with slight variations

everyone agrees that people that need help get help, it all depends on how far they are willing to go to help or what they can do for help

I'm using it as an example, there are basics of what is considered the moral thing to do and then there is the slight variations for each individual person

what about the white parents that have a black child, or the black parents that have a white child, what about them? where do they call in terms of your categorization @Deleted User

It has happened though, parents in the UK have had white parents having black children and black parents have had white children, so where do those children fit in

The children that are born to white parents, with white grand parents and have a really far way back of being white; who just happen to be black, they are technically white, so I ask where would you place them.

yeah

but, I just wnat to say Nationality and ethnicity are different

My ethnicity is italian and french, my nationality is canadian

that is the difference

the difference between American and Canadian is vast. culture being one, a world view difference for another, a thought process, a constitutional difference

no they aren't lol

yeah, they are, but they run them completely differently

no

we don't value guns as highly as americans

and again, culturally we are greatly differnet

well it is, it's just reported poorly lol