Message from @O_Castitatis_Lilium

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2018-01-23 02:14:02 UTC  

look, going to be real honest

2018-01-23 02:14:30 UTC  

there was fear mongering and coercion, and down right threats

2018-01-23 02:14:46 UTC  

I can tell you that a lot of the men on the battlefield and even in the SS did NOT want to be there

2018-01-23 02:14:49 UTC  

they were forced to

2018-01-23 02:14:57 UTC  

^

2018-01-23 02:15:06 UTC  

Something looked past a lot when condemning "Nazis"

2018-01-23 02:15:07 UTC  

so it's not Altruistic in the slightest

2018-01-23 02:15:09 UTC  

but I'm talking about before that

2018-01-23 02:15:22 UTC  

before they came into power

2018-01-23 02:16:06 UTC  

In fact, not standing up to hitler and being afraid of dying for going against him, and going along with what was happening, doesn't that sound a bit selfish by this logic? So in this particular case, selfishness prevented action which could've resulted in less people dying.

2018-01-23 02:16:12 UTC  

before that, he wasn't talking about killing people, he was talking about having Germany be apart of the modern world again, when Germany had been forced to sign a declaration stating that they would never hold an army nor amass troops, essentially leaving thme defenceless

2018-01-23 02:16:30 UTC  

Saying and doing are two different things.

2018-01-23 02:16:42 UTC  

how about read a bit of history

2018-01-23 02:17:00 UTC  

When you're paralyzed with fear for both yourself, and your family, you tend to not think "rationally."

2018-01-23 02:17:15 UTC  

Technically speaking, World War II was just World War 1: Part 2.

2018-01-23 02:17:17 UTC  

When the dust settles, hindsight is 20/20

2018-01-23 02:17:24 UTC  

^

2018-01-23 02:17:39 UTC  

Yeah, I'm just using the logic/rationale, that's all.

2018-01-23 02:17:41 UTC  

look, I know about the treaty of Versailles

2018-01-23 02:17:54 UTC  

but the altruism still persists in World war 1

2018-01-23 02:18:01 UTC  

no it didn't

2018-01-23 02:18:16 UTC  

people were forced to war then too by conscription

2018-01-23 02:18:24 UTC  

what do you call thousands of men sacrificing themselves on the battlefield?

2018-01-23 02:18:30 UTC  

"Drafts"

2018-01-23 02:18:37 UTC  

Victims.

2018-01-23 02:18:38 UTC  

and a small group of leaders used their citizens as the weapons and not by the citizen's choice mind you

2018-01-23 02:18:46 UTC  

victims is a good word

2018-01-23 02:18:51 UTC  

@JadenFrostwolf lol exactly

2018-01-23 02:18:54 UTC  

victims of altruism

2018-01-23 02:18:57 UTC  

they did not choose to be there

2018-01-23 02:19:03 UTC  

no, that's not what he meant and you know it

2018-01-23 02:19:17 UTC  

you definition of Altruism is really warped dude

2018-01-23 02:20:01 UTC  

Victims of the leaders of a bunch of governments that wouldn't just talk things out and decided to make central Europe into a big meat grinder and toss their young men into it before coming to reason.

2018-01-23 02:20:17 UTC  

I know, he meant that there was no reason for them to be there, just like how there's no reason for anything. There's no reason why we should have rights, we just do, right?

2018-01-23 02:20:43 UTC  

There are reasons. But past our atmosphere, they're inconsequential.

2018-01-23 02:21:16 UTC  

the reasons why communism fails are inconsequential too, right?

2018-01-23 02:21:30 UTC  

Literally everything past our planet.

2018-01-23 02:22:05 UTC  

but we aren't talking about things past our planet, we are talking about human beings being sacrificed here.

2018-01-23 02:22:12 UTC  

weo don't just have rights, rights have come about through science and experience, not to mention out of baser instincts lol

2018-01-23 02:22:24 UTC  

you mean through reason?

2018-01-23 02:22:33 UTC  

not necessarrily