@Barry White @Bob Loblaw

Do you guys know why the Clergy wanted women to have the vote in revolutionary France?

It's because they were the ones who were loyal to the Church and her traditions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCv1glJx5b4&t=0s

Who watched this clown show?

@Bob Loblaw That was the case. But it contradicts plainly the notion women can't be loyal or conservative about anything and just throw their legs open to every novelty.

@Barry White See above

@Solipsistic Vinarchy Yeah. He's a joke.

Lauren did well in the debate but she'd do better if she just abandoned any loyalty to Lolbertism

@Metaphysical Monarchist ish

nobody is anti monarchy

nobody is in love with it

@Bob Loblaw Name any revolutionary vanguard and men are at the helm of it. There is an unhealthy tendency to pathologize women in these circles as utterly feckless when I don't think history bares that out.

@Bob Loblaw Well I don't think women should be in political life but it's not because I think they have no loyalty to anybody but their own flights of fancy.

@Bloat MOGG your probably not taking as much dbol as she is though

was it fun?

were the aliens cute?

didja get an anal probe

probably got an anal probe

and you didn't wish for an anal probe??

who was the guy on the show talking about christianity

@Bloat MOGG is he in this discord?

i want to talk to the fool

@Nicholas J Fuentes You need to read Liberalism is a Sin

in fact all of you do

This 7th Day Adventist guy has all sorts of Masonic talking points

it is

@leopirate Does man have the right to sin?

it was leopirate right?

If you consider Anglicanism protestant it's easily the closest to Catholicism

I know some Anglicans don't consider themselves Protestant

I consider them protestant

@Earl of Morrrrgantown oof

double oof

@Metaphysical Monarchist Yeah but you believe in a lot of Protestant doctrines, you don't believe in transubstantiation, you have a heretical ordination etc.

@leopirate Does man have the right to sin?

just call it 4th way Christianity

@Metaphysical Monarchist Not Catholic, not Orthodox, not Protestant

@leopirate Then man does not have any right whatsoever to freedom of his conscience

@Earl of Morrrrgantown Anglican lol

@Metaphysical Monarchist Why are you even still Anglican lmao

Your basically Cardinal Newman at this point

Being able to do something does not mean you have a right to it. Man has no right to Blasphemy for example.

So we should permit the law of Satan?

And give deference to it?

@Metaphysical Monarchist That doesn't give you the right to refuse communion with members of The Church

Did anyone propose torture chambers?

Why would you advocate for a freedom you know immoral?

@fugazi what are you

You believe in the tolerance of error

Should we have any laws based on morality?

@fugazihttps://fssp.com/locations/

Try and go to one of these

So should we have any laws based on morality?

I mean do we have any duty to govern even our own behaviour?

So

Yes or no?

Which means what

Which means what

I'm asking you what that means practically

I get that it's a conveniently flattering position to hold rhetorically

Yeah well again that's convenient rhetoric

Because that doesn't actually tell me anything

Relevant to the question

What
Does
That
Entail

Cause I could give you an extremely clear answer

You don't seem capable of that

Ok good.

I do know these things

This is how people who don't have answers speak - sanctimoniously

If there is a moral law which we know and man has no right to error then why would we enthrone as good, right and desirable policies which oppose that moral law?

He rebuked Satan

he was cast from heaven
removed from the life of grace

he was clearly punished

we know from sacred scripture that at the final judgement Satan will be punished and those who reject God will also be punished

And so justice is clearly a virtue

So why should we not follow that virtue

Because you can say that God allows evil to persist for his own providential ends (which I agree) but he also clearly desires the salvation of man and Christ warns those who would corrupt the faith of others

How can what is good for individuals be bad for the State

"Followers of Christ should leave the enforcement of laws to the earthly and heavenly governments, as Jesus did while he was on earth"

What about Christians make up the civil authority?

"What denomination forbids its ecclesia, priests and nuns, from marrying? And that thing called Lent? Hmmm 🤔"

It was the Judaizers who kept the old temple laws

Judaizing was the first heresy and St. Paul devotes a lot of his writings toward combatting it

How

Clearly not

There were plenty of gnostic sects that actually applied these rules universally that fulfills these doctrines much more clearly.

I don't interpret the Bible

Do you have any other goal posts you want to shift?

We were talking about freedom of conscience

and like you did with Nick this turned into a general assault on the Church

It is always the last resort of people who have no argument to engage in slander

"They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need secular logic and evidence."

??

This doesn't make any difference

What is the end result? Civil laws based on the moral law of the Church

Stop being a child.

it makes no difference

What difference is it if you ban gay marriage based on explicit observance of the moral law or ban gay marriage from a secular argument

Well I should say making a secular argument while holding private religious intentions

I deny this allegation

We would say that Christ rebuked the pharisees for their denial of the legitimacy of his ministry not because they worked in concert with the state. Your position forces you into contradiction where you must uphold the legitimacy of immorality (which you even allied with Satan directly) for the public while holding a private position congruent with morality.

You clearly did

"...your life should resemble the life of the Son of God."

Why is it moral to make a law based off of completely irreligious appeal to consequences and why is it immoral to make a law based off of religious doctrine