Message from @Scooter2000

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2018-07-07 02:24:55 UTC  

The capability to sin is ever present, meaning freedom of conscience does exist.

2018-07-07 02:25:19 UTC  

Being able to do something does not mean you have a right to it. Man has no right to Blasphemy for example.

2018-07-07 02:25:30 UTC  

But it's not under God's law, it's under Satan's law

2018-07-07 02:25:45 UTC  

"The law of sin" as the Apostle Paul explains

2018-07-07 02:26:08 UTC  

So we should permit the law of Satan?

2018-07-07 02:26:14 UTC  

And give deference to it?

2018-07-07 02:27:02 UTC  

No. We should expose the error and death caused by Satan's law, and not put people to torture chambers for inquiring about it.

2018-07-07 02:27:31 UTC  

Did anyone propose torture chambers?

2018-07-07 02:27:46 UTC  

The Catholic Church did in its enforcement of "God's law"

2018-07-07 02:27:57 UTC  

God didn't smite Satan when he fell from heaven. Instead, God let the angels observe what he has done to mankind through the ages.

2018-07-07 02:28:19 UTC  

Why would you advocate for a freedom you know immoral?

2018-07-07 02:28:55 UTC  

Conscience is thought. It has not yet become action. I believe in criticizing ideas, not burning them.

2018-07-07 02:29:10 UTC  

You believe in the tolerance of error

2018-07-07 02:29:14 UTC  

By your definition so does God, with his handling of Satan in the great controversy between him and Christ.

2018-07-07 02:29:57 UTC  

Should we have any laws based on morality?

2018-07-07 02:31:22 UTC  

God does not tolerate error. He exposes it so it is not repeated, showcasing all of the death that comes from it.

2018-07-07 02:31:48 UTC  

So should we have any laws based on morality?

2018-07-07 02:32:00 UTC  

I mean do we have any duty to govern even our own behaviour?

2018-07-07 02:32:13 UTC  

As said by the Apostle:

2018-07-07 02:32:32 UTC  

"For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: **for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men**."
Paul the Apostle, 1 Corinthians 4:9

2018-07-07 02:32:46 UTC  

So

2018-07-07 02:32:49 UTC  

Yes or no?

2018-07-07 02:33:13 UTC  

Yes we do have the duty, however we cannot do it in fully in our sinful state. We must let God's Son do it for us.

2018-07-07 02:33:25 UTC  

Which means what

2018-07-07 02:33:58 UTC  

By letting Christ's divine character manifest in your actions, speech, personality, etc. you will reflect the character of God -- who has never sinned.

2018-07-07 02:34:08 UTC  

Which means what

2018-07-07 02:34:41 UTC  

I'm not sure what you're asking.

2018-07-07 02:34:49 UTC  

I'm asking you what that means practically

2018-07-07 02:35:10 UTC  

I get that it's a conveniently flattering position to hold rhetorically

2018-07-07 02:36:11 UTC  

If you're not Christian, it seems like rhetoric. But if you do believe in the Gospel, you understand Jesus was the Passover Lamb for the Jew and Gentile. Meaning, by believing in the merits of a crucified and risen savior, you can overcome sin through Christ. Not your own works.

2018-07-07 02:36:34 UTC  

Yeah well again that's convenient rhetoric

2018-07-07 02:36:50 UTC  

Because that doesn't actually tell me anything

2018-07-07 02:36:59 UTC  

Relevant to the question

2018-07-07 02:37:48 UTC  

"Christians" are those who follow Christ -- the anointed one. Practically, your life should resemble the life of the Son of God.

2018-07-07 02:37:58 UTC  

What
Does
That
Entail

2018-07-07 02:38:10 UTC  

Cause I could give you an extremely clear answer

2018-07-07 02:38:14 UTC  

You don't seem capable of that

2018-07-07 02:38:20 UTC  

Living in accordance with the Ten Commandments.

2018-07-07 02:38:25 UTC  

Ok good.

2018-07-07 02:39:08 UTC  

I apologize if I'm not being clear. I assumed you knew the character of Christ already. And how he never sinned, and fulfilled the law.

2018-07-07 02:39:19 UTC  

If you don't know these things, then yes what I said earlier may have seemed like rhetoric. It's not.