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Broseph 2018-01-15 09:05:09

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Simon Sasquatch 2018-01-15 13:56:33

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Sheep of HAZeus 2018-01-15 14:16:54

You live inside the cell earth. Light bends up to a central bio acoustic resonate dipole octahedral antennae

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Sheep of HAZeus 2018-01-15 14:37:04

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Deleted User 2018-01-15 14:57:19

Satan speed mein bruders

Sheep of HAZeus 2018-01-15 14:59:19

That's god in the flesh progenitor of Satan

Bret 2018-01-15 16:25:28

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Bret 2018-01-15 16:27:26

Hope everyone is having a wondeful morning. Remember to pray the rosary!

Thomas 2018-01-15 20:18:49

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Sheep of HAZeus 2018-01-15 20:29:18

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Alex Ball 2018-01-15 21:27:41

>no cultural christians
I suspect this is an underhanded jab against catholics

Bloat MOGG 2018-01-15 22:14:07

Catholicism is the one true religion

Thomas 2018-01-15 22:16:07

I have a rough time with Catholicism. I want to be Catholic so bad, but doing so essentially spits in the face of my heritage.

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:08:03

it doesnt really matter so long as you periodically commune with fellow Christians

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:08:34

I doubt more than a couple of people can outline the actual theological differences between denominations

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:08:50

our enemies hate us all equally

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:08:56

as if we are the same

Thomas 2018-01-16 01:09:48

I don't have too many problems with other denominations,

Thomas 2018-01-16 01:10:02

but truth be told Catholicism legitimately alarms me.

Thomas 2018-01-16 01:10:19

The inheritance of the Holy See has been perverted and corrupted.

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:15:14

degeneracy is like a blanket that covers everything

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:15:50

that said, the church is the laity, not the clergy.

Punished Örlogskapten ☧ 2018-01-16 01:17:49

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Thomas 2018-01-16 01:21:33

I unironically shed a tear when I truly think of the suffering of Christ.

Ulf 2018-01-16 01:55:11

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Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:57:42

kill the reptilian

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:58:07

I wish Jordan Peterson spoke more on the archetypes in Christian myth

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:58:32

but I figure its safer to discuss dated Disney animations that have long since lost their copyright

Thomas 2018-01-16 01:58:37

JBP is a kike shill, and ultimately an agnostic cunt.

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 01:59:28

except he isn't Jewish and is rather insightful. I'm not looking for theological discussions, just casual Jungian musings on the divine

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:00:12

I'm sure if he felt safe, he wouldn't stop.

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:00:20

He essentially works for the Jews. Either that or he's just that dumb.

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:00:28

Not he is a Jew

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:00:33

mistake of speech.

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:00:41

He simply assists them.

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:00:44

*radical centrism*

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:00:45

how so?

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:00:59

*How Hitler was more evil than you think*

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:01:10

*selling ungodly expensive autographed rugs*

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:01:21

*jews are just smarter than you, there's no difference in race*

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:01:28

its difficult to keep your tenure as a university professor if you begin lectures with GTK-RWN

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:01:41

plus he is politically instrumental against leftist causes

Thomas 2018-01-16 02:02:03

For the same reason I no longer watch Rebel Media, I now no longer watch JBP.

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:02:04

he campaigned strongly against the forced adoption of gender neutral pronouns

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:02:10

in canadian education

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:02:33

you dont have to like him. But he is on our side.

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:02:57

I can agree with you on rebel media though. they are just a safety valve for centre-right grievances

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:03:03

so that they never move further right

epic 2018-01-16 02:12:48
🎭🎵 2018-01-16 02:13:07

Japan is godless

🎭🎵 2018-01-16 02:13:08

smh

🎭🎵 2018-01-16 02:13:21

but they are /ourgodlessguys/

epic 2018-01-16 02:13:32

@🎭🎵 they literally arent godless tho

epic 2018-01-16 02:13:34

Either way

epic 2018-01-16 02:13:46

Id rather live in trad Japan than in godless white ethnostate

epic 2018-01-16 02:13:48

Think about it

🎭🎵 2018-01-16 02:13:59

oof

🎭🎵 2018-01-16 02:14:01

esoteric take

Ulf 2018-01-16 02:23:27

but you arent japanese

Ulf 2018-01-16 02:23:37

you dont just get to choose to live wherever you want, you dip

Punished Örlogskapten ☧ 2018-01-16 02:29:17

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epic 2018-01-16 02:44:39

@Ulf the principle of my statement is that Id rather live with nice brown people than disgusting white people.
Altho id prefer nice white people to nice brown people because Im white

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:45:15

Baron Ungern Sternberg reasoned the same way

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:45:57

better a buddhist mongorian than a white gommie

Alex Ball 2018-01-16 02:46:13

take the 👑pill

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SGL 2018-01-16 08:04:27

What do you blokes think of Calvinism

Broseph 2018-01-16 14:56:52

Predestination is brainlet tier

SGL 2018-01-16 16:52:09

False

SGL 2018-01-16 16:52:16

It is big brained tier

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:53:55

Nope brainlet tier

SGL 2018-01-16 16:54:11

Nope big brain tier

SGL 2018-01-16 16:54:26

>implying every worthless cunt deserves a place in paradise

SGL 2018-01-16 16:54:45

>implying former commies should be forgiven if they now claim to be right wing

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:56:03

Imagine believing in a God and thinking he created shit tier people knowingly

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:56:12

Doesn't get more autistic than that

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:56:52

Like broseph said all predestination is a retarded attempt at reconciling free will with an omniscient God

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:57:06

Pick one.

SGL 2018-01-16 16:57:09

So you don't believe in iq differences? 🤔

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:57:33

Do you even know what Calvinism is lmao

SGL 2018-01-16 16:58:06

>imagine believing in a God and thinking he created shit tier people knowingly
>believing that every human is equal

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:58:21

So why would he create shit tier people then

SGL 2018-01-16 16:58:36

I don't know - I'm not God.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:58:43

Lmao solid argument

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:58:47

If you're autistic

SGL 2018-01-16 16:58:55

Woah based ad hominem

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 16:59:14

Happens when someone just used "uh I'm not God" as an actual argument

SGL 2018-01-16 16:59:32

Really though, you can't believe that everyone is equal but also recognise that racial iq differences exist

SGL 2018-01-16 17:00:01

Why is there a distinction? Probably due to culture and environment.

SGL 2018-01-16 17:00:19

Was this part of God's plan? I can't fathom to know.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:00:50

Or I don't have a positive assertion to a God I should say

SGL 2018-01-16 17:01:01

>doesn't believe in God
>posts in the Christian channel

SGL 2018-01-16 17:01:10

Ten outta ten my dude

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:01:28

>can't defend Calvinism going beyond 1 layer deep

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:02:12

You realize any ideology that you differ with could use the exact same argument you have. I could argue for gods existence far better than you because I have read these religious texts

SGL 2018-01-16 17:02:34

Ok fedora lad

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:02:50

So no argument for Calvinism?

SGL 2018-01-16 17:03:18

Okay lets look at Christian theology

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:03:22

Okay

SGL 2018-01-16 17:03:44

Does the Bible recognise the tribalistic nature of humanity?

SGL 2018-01-16 17:03:55

I.e. that differences between groups are inherent

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:04:00

Yeah of course

SGL 2018-01-16 17:04:06

Ok.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:04:28

You're making a conclusion that requires a jump from there that you're not justifying though

SGL 2018-01-16 17:04:39

Did God make humans as agents of their own free will to some extent?

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:05:05

Let's say yes completely given agency for the sake of the argument

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:05:26

God's nature by it's very definition is essentially a mystery. All we have are the remaining texts that he left to us. That is what we know him by and what we can interpret his will as.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:06:00

Wait hold up I wanna hear his reasoning

SGL 2018-01-16 17:06:04

Ok then. Is it the fault of God then that some humans chose to collectivise themselves into groups that are inferior than others?

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:06:22

Sounds like Deism almost.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:06:30

The reasoning I mean.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:06:30

In Calvinism *yes*

SGL 2018-01-16 17:06:33

Thomas is right though - I can't make objective assertions regarding the motives of God

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:06:42

This is my problem with what you're saying

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:07:23

In Calvinism it 100% is the fault of God that people do these things. Both collectivizing and being individually immoral

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:07:34

It's why I don't like Calvinism

SGL 2018-01-16 17:08:10

Then so be it. In your interpretation, Christians should be egalitarian and that is also quite clearly false based upon Christian theology

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:08:19

God obviously gave humans a certain degree of agency while at the same time outlining some form or another a means of possible, or at least plausible predestination.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:08:44

No they shouldn't be because predestination is wrong, Calvinism is based on predestination and that is that

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:08:50

In a theological sense, one cannot exist without the other.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:08:53

By extension it's wrong

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:09:04

No you can't have both

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:10:17

Contradictions can persist everywhere that our minds can't comprehend. We know of only three dimensions, but that does not exclusively mean we do not feel the effects of a fourth, or that one does not exist somewhere.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:10:39

Sure but you can't make any claim that's not the same as a contradicting

SGL 2018-01-16 17:10:48

Of course you can. Otherwise why would humans be moral at all? If they are ascertained to not be one of the 'chosen few' then why do they not use their autonomy to live a hedonistic lifestyle? Because one can never truly know whether one is or isn't part of said chosen few and as such it's in one's best interest to act in a moral way.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:10:51

I'm saying it is outlined in our religious texts specifically, that he did give us agency, but at the same time he does have some sort of intent, a plan.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:10:52

You're talking about 2 things were consider that are mutually exclusive

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:10:57

A type of predestination.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:11:09

But exclusively believing in predestination is wrong as well.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:11:17

Larp you need to look up what predestination is.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:11:31

Because it would imply that a certain number of individuals were made with the intent of going directly to hell.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:11:34

Okay sure a plan but that's not what you said originally Thomas

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:12:46

Predestination is the idea that some people all people are created and it is predestined whether or not they will ascend. This is 100% in contradiction with free will

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:13:02

Why are they mutually exclusive? Why are the concepts of an all knowing being having an intent for the universe, yet simultaneously giving some aspects of his creations free will mutually exclusive?

SGL 2018-01-16 17:13:15

I know what predestination is - but does predestination imply that humans are mindless robots who don't have influence in how they reach their end destination?

If I have to drive from my home to my work, there are hundreds, if not thousands of possible routes I could take - the end destination will still be the same

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:13:17

Intent isn't what predestination says

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:13:45

You can't just use the word in a different sense

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:13:58

Predestination says the destination of the soul is predetermined.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:14:07

As in you either ascend to heaven or don't.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:14:21

Alright.. Then predestination is the wrong word. Then God's intent. But imagine being in control over literally every aspect of creation, and not being able to directly influence the time around it or the events which take place in it.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:14:35

Yeah I agree with you when we talk about intent 100%

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:14:54

We were originally talking about Calvinism though that's where the discussion sprang up

Simon Sasquatch 2018-01-16 17:16:17

I'm not a Calvinist, but if I was a Calvinist I would argue that God predetermined some peoples to be the carriers of his will, and predestined other tribes to be obstacles in the way of the chosen peoples. He created some people for the express purpose of opposing him and his people. Some people being almost like NPCs, just there to fill up space.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:16:23

I'm not a Deist, nor am I a Calvinist. Mostly because I think that such concepts can in a sense be dually applied.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:16:35

Yes, that makes sense.

SGL 2018-01-16 17:16:47

Shinjitsu, do you think iq is an inherent thing? I.e. genetic. Or do you believe that iq is environment - based?

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:17:14

You're applying to religious doctrine something that does not line up with it.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:17:25

Yeah Simon that's the thing though you are saying free will doesn't exist if it's predetermined whether or not they will go to heaven. Either that or they can do ANYTHING they want in life and still ascend

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:17:40

IQ is both but this is irrelevant

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:17:51

As we just said, obviously some aspects of the world are in fact predetermined. As set out by the consequences which God has laid before us.

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:17:59

But, he did give us free will.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:18:16

Predetermined is fine

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:18:26

It's only to a degree though

Simon Sasquatch 2018-01-16 17:19:04

@shinjitsu in that scenario, I would argue that free will is an illusion of the human mind, that we just simply perceive our actions as completely our own

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:19:06

I highly suggest you read the gay science. He goes into everything we're talking about much better than j can

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:19:19

Okay you could argue that but no Christians will agree with you

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:19:37

I tend to believe that but for the sake of the argument we assumed agency is real

Thomas 2018-01-16 17:20:36

I still disagree to that predestination is a total end all be all. You can have extents of predestination.

Simon Sasquatch 2018-01-16 17:22:43

@shinjitsu I'm only arguing from a highly theoretical abstract place, don't completely believe in predetermination, nor do I believe completely in free will.

SGL 2018-01-16 17:23:13

Again, though you may not agree, Shinjitsu, trying to ascertain with 100% what God's motives are is akin to trying to determine the value of infinity - it's trying to know the un-knowable

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:23:31

I'm not saying we can or have to know

SGL 2018-01-16 17:23:35

Hence why when I said that I cannot know because I'm not God, it is completely valid

SGL 2018-01-16 17:23:58

You did though, you posed the problem 'why would God make shit people'

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:24:08

I'm saying if you believe in Calvinism you believe that either free will doesn't exist, or that people who are going to be going to heaven can do whatever immoral thin they want and still get in

Simon Sasquatch 2018-01-16 17:25:14

@SGL I agree, God's internal motivations can only be determined as so far as he reveals them to us

SGL 2018-01-16 17:25:40

Not necessarily - both can exist to some extent. The idea being that God had created those predestined to go to heaven to be of a certain character, whereby though they have free will, they will naturally not act in a blatantly immoral way, regardless of outside pressures.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:26:24

No they can't

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:26:52

Calvinism believes that a soul is destined for heaven or hell determined at or prior to birth

SGL 2018-01-16 17:27:17

Yes but how does that dispute what I just said?

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:28:12

meaning you either believe
1: Free will does not exist and this person will not be immoral.
2: It does not matter if this person is immoral in life, free will can exist, but they will do whatever they want and still get in.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:28:40

What you will try to do now is say that it's number 1 but the character traits of the individual are the ones that determine how they act but you can't do this

SGL 2018-01-16 17:30:03

As I just said - those predestined to go to Heaven will be of a certain character, that despite the fact that they have a relative level of autonomy and freedom, they will choose to follow a more moral/righteous path. Having free will does not inherently mean that you will do whatever the fuck you want without a sense of morality.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:30:32

It means that you can though

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:30:47

and if you can there is no way to say that this person is predestined for heaven or hell

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:31:02

unless the person's actions don't matter

SGL 2018-01-16 17:31:09

If that's true why do people feel regret/sadness for killing others?

SGL 2018-01-16 17:31:14

You misunderstand

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:31:16

These are non-arguments

SGL 2018-01-16 17:32:01

Im saying that, since God is all-knowing, those predestined to go to heaven will be those who would act in accordance to His will regardless of whether they go to Heaven or Hell

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:32:20

You can't say that and still have free will

SGL 2018-01-16 17:32:24

I.e. they have freedom, but choose to use said freedom to follow His doctrines

SGL 2018-01-16 17:32:29

Of course you can

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:32:40

because it is determined *prior to their actions* whether or not they go to heaven

SGL 2018-01-16 17:32:59

As I said - the idea is that God is omniscient

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:33:13

This is just logically false

SGL 2018-01-16 17:33:16

He knows what their actions will be prior to them carrying them out

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:33:20

you can not give free will while remaining omniscient

SGL 2018-01-16 17:33:41

Of course you can. The idea isn't that God is forcing people to act a certain way

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:33:49

Because if it is known what you will do, then it is predetermined what you will do, and you have no agency

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:33:59

no you are just flat out wrong here there isn't even an argument to make.

SGL 2018-01-16 17:34:06

The idea is that God knows how people will act anyway

SGL 2018-01-16 17:34:25

You are still the agent carrying out said actions

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:34:28

No that's wrong. This is accepted by wrong by every philosopher even religious ones

SGL 2018-01-16 17:34:40

*You* are the one making the choices, not God

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:34:57

No it doesn't matter. If he **knows** what actions you will tkae prior to you making them. Then there is **no** way to say you could have chosen otherwise.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:35:18

This is not up for debate, this is widely accepted as problem by people you probably agree with

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:35:49

In this scenario free will is an illusion

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:36:10

It's why Calvinism (specifically predestination) is wrong and where these disagreements come from

SGL 2018-01-16 17:36:35

Of course there is. If God is all knowing - as described in the Bible, then He will know all possible actions you could take throughout your life - I.e. there is still a level of personal input necessary. God doesn't force people to do anything - he merely observes.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:36:44

No wait

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:36:56

*possible actions* is not the same as saying knowing which actions the person will take

SGL 2018-01-16 17:37:00

Thus it's still *your* choices, but God knows what choices you make.

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:37:10

Prior to you making them?

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:37:49

Just yes or no prior to you making them, does God know what decision you will make? In your opinion

SGL 2018-01-16 17:39:02

If an entity is all knowing it will know everything - possible actions as well as what actions will be taken. God knows that humans have a level of autonomy and as such their actions are of their own volition - God, however, still knows what path the individual will take.

Again, the idea is that God is omniscient, but not necessarily interventionist in the paths of individuals

SGL 2018-01-16 17:39:34

It's akin to being able to go see all possible universes at the same time

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:39:40

No

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:39:41

It's not

shinjitsu 2018-01-16 17:39:46

because the soul is predestined to heaven or hell

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