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Sincere Question: How could we appropriately and feasibly solve Japan's withering national fertility rates, and repeal the post-war limitations on their military?
> how do we solve japan
I left 4chan for a reason, queer. It's an actual question. I just want opinion solutions on a problem I think plagues a nation. In the same way I would ask about Sweden's shitty political mindset.
I remember reading a tweet where they subsidized childbearing in a town in japan and fertitlity doubled
so there's your answer
It was today or yesterday too
But if we're reduced to America, then how do we increase nationalistic sentiment in The Rust Belt?
better local communities through stronger churches/governments
Was it this tweet? https://twitter.com/wrathofgnon/status/950955699592286209
Follow Wrath if you don't, one of the absolute best timelines on twitter
Japan is going to have the constitution reform in 2 years.
Repeal Artical 9
So it will be remilitarized
El Salvadors government says that return of TPS illegals would benefit their economy
Liberals should agree since they thing illegal immigrants boost wages and create jobs instead of lowering and taking them
the emperor is not relavant because the monarch does not have real power
the people is awakening
nationalism is rising
abe administration is stable
with high approval rate
I understand, but in terms of the cultural Identity of Japan he is crucial no? Wouldn't a countersignaling emporer basically be similar to Pope Francis for catholics?
abe has the will to reform the constitution
japanese monarch does not show attitudes about policies
hyping up the emperor is just a meme
and japanese monarch is not cucked as european ones
But would not an emp that aligned with Abe's positions give him more political power than he already has?
japanese society is pretty conservative due to the residual of pre-Meiji fedual structure
except the leftist intellectuals, artists, journalists and teachers which are worse than western left
my innitial take aways from the Wohl vs. Fuentes debate:
1. I think Wohl enjoyed himself - enjoyed the challenage
2. He was consulting some resource from his computer
2b. But because he did not know Nick's position prior to the debate & because many of the points Nick used were never broadcasted on his show there is no way he prepared the resource himself
2c. I suspect the consulted resource was some ADL talking points to argue popular (((conspiracy theories)))
3. I don't think Wohl is aware of ZOG
3b. There were some things (like the nuclear program) that he might know about but I don't think he knows the full extent of it
3c. Because Wohl believes honestly that anything Nick suggests is unsubstantial he is confident that the debate will go in his favor
4. It looked like Wohl heard anti-Israel points he had never heard before
4b. Might have the effect of red pilling Wohl on Israel if even a little bit
5. Trump has met Wohl personally so via grape vine there is a chance that Trump might see the debate or at the least hear about it
fuck off shlomo
I am much smarter than him
'he screwed up the timeout role
Immigrants are more likely to have a university degree than natives, but, according to data from the OECD college-educated immigrants have skills much closer to those of natives who *just finished high school*.
if immigrants who has a university degree should be let in no matter what, then it becomes "anyone has graduated from a college in the world can become us citizens"
@Huge Brain Oliver Imo the best way to argue for lower immigration is to promote high skill immigration instead of low skill immigration. You have to consider our interests and politics of immigration as it stands currently.
More wealthy immigrants are less likely to have replacement level birthrates. So the indian guy who comes here on an H1-B visa is less likely to have a kid than a Mexican coming here through and H2-B visa or coming in illegally.
If we were to put our support behind things like the RAISE Act (https://www.cotton.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=765) we would be able to cut immigration levels in half, and be able to mitigate the effects of demographic replacement of whites, while at the same time protecting white blue collar workers from a loose labor market
yes raise act
I mean high quality immigrants still have assimilation problem and we cannot have too many
if it gets to the point where our doctors are getting replaced by foreign doctors that's a problem that is BIGGER than anyone taking a lowskilled labor job
the law should let people in based off of demand for people for whatever sector, they have predictons for which sectors are going to grow and which ones arent. They can also forsee a need for more people in x field, as we see now in a demand for computer science and eldery care
@🎭🎵 You have to understand this though, there's always going to be a high demand for foreign labor if that labor is cheaper than the native alternative. Like with H2-B's for instance, there isn't a massive shortage of labor supply in the H2-B sector, yet there is such a high demand. The reason why? Nine of the top 10 sectors occupied by H2-B workers have had stagnant or declining wages for the past two decades
I'd also argue that low skill natives being replaced and having their wages fall is the worst thing that can happen, low skill workers are generally low income earners as well. If you take away their source of income or diminish it, you're hurting people who need it the most. As opposed to a middle or upper class white collar worker who has a fairly good income
a limited amount is ok but importing a master class will be worse
especially many newcoming investement bankers, doctors, silicon valley elites, media personals have more allegience to their own tribe/country of origin than America
not only economy matters
I agree, my end goal is to end immigration entirely, but you have to cut the branches before you cut the whole tree.
Immigrants of all classes have allegiance to their own group, it's just low skill immigrants who have more children, i.e. creating more democrat voters.
We could have a payment-based soft eugenics program to breed more high-IQ whites to serve those roles.
Get rid of the visa program
people are having to retrain their replacements
@Gregory Malchuk An open eugenics program in the United States is highly unrealistic, the public still associates anything with eugenics to nazism
@🎭🎵 I'm for cutting immigration worker programs as much as possible, at the current rate though we take in around 1.3 million immigrants a year. Only 1 in 15 are here because of their skills, it's better to take in high skill immigrants with low birth rates than to take in low skill ones with high birth rates
SOFT eugenics. Like child payments scaled based on the IQ of the parents.
@Gregory Malchuk You really think government officials would allow that though? You've gotta have your policies grounded in reality here.
It is aspirational. A longer term goal.
immigration law should be based on a fliexible set of rules instead of something set it stone
which I mean it kinda is, I just dont like the idea of a bill not adapting to changing times
if the bill says to take in doctors 10 years before and now our doctors are getting displaced we should be able to retweak who we let in withoutr having to pass a bill through congress
which I think is already the case consitutionally it just isnt done
boys, obviously we know trump being “mentally unstable” is a meme (stable genius). but my boss, chairman of state republican party, was at white house for christmas dinner and was waiting in large mob of people to say hello to the president. when he finally got up there my boss introduced himself and trump immediately recalled the names of each senator in my state and governor that was up for re-election this year and was genuinely interested in how they’re looking. he also offered to fly out and have a rally here on behalf of our governor. shows me he is engaged, focused, and devoted.
@everyone GET THIS GUY ELECTED TO CONGRESS https://dillinghamforcongress.org/
I thought normies couldnt use everyone
@everyone attending the March For Life tomorrow, 1/19, I wish you the best of luck. We must defend our unborn brothers. A society that cannot protect the defenseless will fall to degeneracy. I pray that any attending may have success and bring others to our side
Hopefully i will be there next year
What about nigger babies
Can we still abort them
Obviously the death of any innocent is a tragedy, and should not be treated as truly a tangible viable solution in a civilized state. What concerns me is that we're presently reaching the point where it has become a moral conundrum as to whether or not we would like these people (who are almost our racial enemies in many ways and facets of society) to kill their children so that they do not replace us. If I'm totally honest with myself and others, I have to admit I am quite literally at a moral crossroad when it comes to this.
Here’s the facts. Over 40 million white babies have been directly aborted or had the conception negated through abortive contraceptives. There is your population replacement
Abortion is completely correlated with white genocide
Fair enough to me.
If you think minority birth rates are a problem, abortion is not the solution. If we had kept immigration under control and kept the white birth rate up then it wouldn’t have happened. Increasing infertility, abortion, lack of family in whites, and bringing in more immigrants is what is replacing us
Abortion must end for all our citizens
Abortion doesn't hurt
The contraceptive stat is ridiculous to use
Not at all
Over 60 million dead and 100s of millions prevented from surviving is no joke
Communism is fine compared to abortion
You don't get to use contraception for your numbers
Birth control is the real white genocide
Because it's a separate argument
No it isn’t
Abortion helps whites demographically
Not abortive contraceptives
Read about long term female fertility effects of hormonal bc
It’s the same effect
Abortive contraceptive is an oxymoron
As in pills you take that destroy the egg and sperm conception after conception
It’s an ending of human life
Oh yeah I count that as just abortion
I thought you were talking about condoms
Ok then abortion would be in 100s of millions
Most don’t count that because it’s not recorded
Sales of those products
Sales don't imply use
Abortions are massively over representative of blacks
That’s why I’m only saying 100s of millions, not billions
It’s an estimate
According to what
I'm not arguing that abortion is okay. I'm arguing the replacement thing you said. It's just completely wrong
Planned parentheses stats and sales on post conception contraceptives
Yes it is
You're counting only the white abortions
Immigration and the lowering of the white birth rate through the means I mentioned are the causes of white replacement
So what abortion affects other races more than whites
Without it demographics would be worse
This is objectively true, and doesn't mean abortion is fine
But the fact remains it's technically helping (to what degree I have no idea) demographics
So you think if we had those 40 million white babies there would still be as much immigration as we had?
There would be more black babies too lmfao
You don’t think there would be a bigger pushback against bringing 10s of millions of spics in?
If abortion was illegal it would be illegal for all
Blacks are highly more likely to get repeat abortions. They would not keep getting knocked up if they didn’t have the abortion option
That's a retarded assumption
The black abortion numbers are from a far fewer number of mothers
NO ITS NOT
Look at the population numgers
Clearly black mothers on average get more abortions than whites
They mathematically have to
Saying they wouldn't keep getting pregnant is a retarded assumption that you're basing off nothing
They wouldn’t be physically capable because they’d be pregnant most of the time
You think they're getting abortions like 3 times a year? No
If they didn’t have abortion they’d be forced to be parents and couldn’t have a kid for already 10 months
We have around 800k abortions ever hear in the US and around half are blacks
So you think blacks would keep getting knocked up after the 5th kid?
This is 400k abortions /45M blacks
When they would be getting abortions in the first place because they can’t afford kids?
Yeah cause that's stopped them in the past
Yes I’m sure they’d keep screwing themselves more
And who says they are averaging 5 abortions
Can you Give any numbers or do you just guess and make things up
Truth be told, blacks have very little concept of consequences. If you think that adding on another one would somehow stop them from trying to fuck each other like bored animals, then you're mistaken.
You really aren’t seeing how I’m demonstrating 2 realities, one where abortion is outlawed and blacks are forced to have less sex and less kids for the same reasons they currently get abortion, and the current reality
You are just objectively wrong if abortion was illegal it would make a lower demographics of whites
I’ve demonstrated how that’s false
How do you know whites wouldn't have less sex and less kids?
The blacks would literally die out if they fucked as much as you’re implying they would without abortion
No we have all sorts of safety nets
Fact is they wouldn’t have as much sex if they didn’t have the abortion option
Fact is immigration has brought in more people who have kids than abortion has gotten rid of
Fact is millions of whites are dead because of abortion
Same with blacks
Almost equal numbers
You talk out of your ass
I explained how blacks have more abortions on average
And make assumptions you can't justify then change the topic
Therefore they’d have less kids if it were gone
Same with whites dude
You can't say to what degree this would play out
Holy fuck you are literally retarded
Whites would be more likely to keep their kids they get pregnant with, while blacks wouldn’t get pregnant in the first place
Just like it was before abortion was legal
You’re pretending our history doesn’t prove me right
You are telling me blacks, the people who leave heir kids 70% of the time would stop fucking each other and making babies when they get on welfare because abortion isn't legal?
They only started getting pregnant more when abortion was legalized
No you are so wrong it's not even funny
Why weren’t they 60 years ago?
Maybe because they weren’t able to?
Are you joking or are you actually this stupid
Because there weren't fucking mountains of money they could count on from entitlement programs for having kids
I’m not sure how you’re drawing these straw men up
I'm not sure how you've been talking for 15 minutes and haven't given a single figure
To justify anything
When I say I want the legal precedent from 60 years ago put back, that includes the social programs
You ignored them
I said source
I told you planned parenthood
There are 800k abortions a year
Half are blacks
If you’re gonna deny common sense then I’m not gonna bother giving you a college level debate
If we cut all abortion the black % of population would go up over time as a direct result
I am in graduate school
You are not justifying anything
You know the facts but contort them to fit your narrative and label me falsely
You are objectively wrong
And can't justify your assumption
I’ve stated simple logical steps to my conclusion yet you deny basic human behavior
I can’t help you with that
No “sources” will change your bias
Why do you think that blacks would stop being impregnated while whites wouldn't
If abortion was illegal
You're comparing society over a span of 6 decades
If you think this is a valid comparison that's just embarassing g
You have a very brainlet way of viewing “if a radical social change happened that took away a guarantee that hundreds of thousands rely on, then attitude and output WON’T change”
That is retarded
You think blacks would stop fucking without condoms? If abortions were illegal?
I explained the averages
That is retarded
You won’t listen
The averages are irrelevant
Because they're not getting abortions more than once every 9 months that's so stupid to think
Also whites rely on abortion too
Which you have yet to deal with
Whites get less abortions so are more likely to keep getting pregnant and keep them. Blacks can’t afford babies so they would stop getting pregnant if they didn’t have abortion JUST like 60+ years ago and all historical precedent
We are comparing he people who would already be getting abortions and you're talking about white people broadly lmfao
Waste of my time goodbye
Blacks would have more kids than now, not more than whites
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