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2020-02-22 04:05:25 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

I am mostly for whatever allows the most people to practice whatever they themselves believe, regardless of who it is.

2020-02-22 04:07:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

I think people absolutely have the right to protest, but the question is to what extent can those rights infringe on the well-being of others.

2020-02-22 04:07:26 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Or even the convenience of others.

2020-02-22 04:08:02 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Evidently, a fun little fact, the 1st Amendment only protects citizens from discrimination of the Federal Government, not of the State Governments. That loop-hole wasn't fully solved until the 14th Amendment.

2020-02-22 04:08:40 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Sure, for sake of argument if you infringe an Ambulance from going through, you are infringing on someone else's rights.

2020-02-22 04:08:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

So I can see a valid argument for that.

2020-02-22 04:09:03 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

It is, more than anything, a postulate.

2020-02-22 04:10:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

To play a bit of a Devil's Advocate, should an Omnipotent God stop murders? And if so...why?

2020-02-22 04:11:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

There are a lot of religious and non-religious.

2020-02-22 04:12:15 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Evidently, the question of religion really isn't one of Science, due to the lack of a provable or disprovable method about it. So what happens by accordance to Scientific Protocol is it is actually classified as Philosophy.

2020-02-22 04:12:25 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

If you are curious, the same thing happened early on in Quantum Mechanics

2020-02-22 04:12:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Or entirely different social standards, in some cases.

2020-02-22 04:13:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Moral good and evil are not as black and white as we'd like to say...

2020-02-22 04:13:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And who is to say that our understanding of good and evil are objective at all?

2020-02-22 04:14:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Sure...but whose to say that *isn't* free will?

2020-02-22 04:15:03 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Free doesn't always require the same connotation.

2020-02-22 04:15:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Evidently, many arguments stem out of a disagreement on definition.

2020-02-22 04:16:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

IMO Free Will isn't whether choices stem from a collective functioning of one's self, but rather if one can act against a particular stimuli at a particular time, regardless of what it may be.

2020-02-22 04:16:45 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Oh man, one of my favorite concepts...

2020-02-22 04:16:48 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Psychohistory

2020-02-22 04:17:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Isaac Asimov wrote about it as a fundamental premise to his Sci-Fi series

2020-02-22 04:17:14 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Very good books

2020-02-22 04:19:03 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Psychohistory, if you are curious, is this idea that while individuals themselves are quite complex and intricate beings, a 'mob' of people become infinitely more predictable and patternistic in their behavior. Meaning that within a certain margin of error, you can calculate probabilities of eventual outcomes by deducing the actions of a mass.

2020-02-22 04:19:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

The one caveat being, that if an individual has enough tenacity to dramatically alter history, they can throw off the balance of said calculations.

2020-02-22 04:19:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And that is the fundamental story idea in the Foundation Trilogy

2020-02-22 04:20:18 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Evidently, Schrodinger's Cat isn't exactly random either.

2020-02-22 04:20:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Nor is it prior

2020-02-22 04:20:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

It exists as a Superposition of two eventualities

2020-02-22 04:20:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Where, the deduction and measurement of those forces the collision of one or the other.

2020-02-22 04:21:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

And it is still enacted upon my a compressive, and consistent, force.

2020-02-22 04:21:34 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Well, a certain degree of randomness

2020-02-22 04:21:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

More of a range of possibility

2020-02-22 04:21:45 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Or of potential outcomes

2020-02-22 04:21:54 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

The range of solutions to a superposition

2020-02-22 04:22:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

As it must be, otherwise it really doesn't work.

2020-02-22 04:23:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well, what keeps a brick in contact with a steel plate?

2020-02-22 04:23:24 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Different densities should mean that one is not forced into the other, and can freely roam around.

2020-02-22 04:23:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

So...you're arguing Relative Density?

2020-02-22 04:24:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

They are. And even if we have a fluid on-top of the steel plate, it is still compressed into it.

2020-02-22 04:24:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Which doesn't concur with this theory of it only being density.

2020-02-22 04:24:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

As under that postulate, most matter would be ejected off the surface of the earth.

2020-02-22 04:25:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

We can pretty easily prove gravity. It just depends if you want to accept it or not.

2020-02-22 04:26:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

As for warped space time, I'd answer with the relativistic motion of high-velocity matter.

2020-02-22 04:26:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

We actually have pretty solid equations for that.

2020-02-22 04:26:49 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Let me find one.

2020-02-22 04:26:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Ah, right, cannot post it.

2020-02-22 04:27:10 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

They'd probably argue that he's a liar.

2020-02-22 04:27:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Or some variation thereof.

2020-02-22 04:28:05 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

They argue those are balloons.

2020-02-22 04:28:09 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

And are also fake.

2020-02-22 04:28:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

I told you, it doesn't have to make sense.

2020-02-22 04:28:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

They just need *some* kind of explanation.

2020-02-22 04:28:33 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

And cognitive dissonance can do the rest.

2020-02-22 04:29:15 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Don't.

2020-02-22 04:29:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

They may want a free ticket.

2020-02-22 04:29:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Save them for family, friends...

2020-02-22 04:31:26 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

For a while there were those who doubted that humans could live 1,000 feet off the ground, and insisted that pilots, balloonists or anything similar faked it all.

2020-02-22 04:31:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well, there is observable proof of this, but the problem they have is that it comes from sources they deem unreputable.

2020-02-22 04:32:36 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well, there is...

2020-02-22 04:32:38 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

*But*

2020-02-22 04:32:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

You need to put down some money to do it.

2020-02-22 04:33:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Less of an appeal to authority, but a close tangential all the same.

2020-02-22 04:33:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Sure.

2020-02-22 04:33:53 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

They can put something on a moving satellite, yes.

2020-02-22 04:34:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Or on a sub-orbital rocket.

2020-02-22 04:34:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

If they build a device to do it for them...yes.

2020-02-22 04:34:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Or some kind of mechanism to calculate it.

2020-02-22 04:34:50 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Then, of course...

2020-02-22 04:34:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

You'd have to trust their word.

2020-02-22 04:35:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Yes, they would.

2020-02-22 04:35:24 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

You can also, at that point, see plenty of other indicators of the form of the Earth.

2020-02-22 04:35:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Not just relativistic motion.

2020-02-22 04:36:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well...

2020-02-22 04:36:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Realistically, I *have* tested it.

2020-02-22 04:36:54 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

You could very realistically test it too, just book the next flight with a 2U payload.

2020-02-22 04:37:26 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well, it is all conjecture at some degree.

2020-02-22 04:37:36 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

The importance is, after enough redundancy, it ceases being a fallacy.

2020-02-22 04:38:48 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well...name one thing that is definitively substantiated without requiring conjecture or some kind of appeal to authority.

2020-02-22 04:41:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

But...are you not appealing to the authority of the program itself?

2020-02-22 04:41:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

That's the thing, if we deny any authority whatsoever, we throw out anything that is provable by those more informed than us and regulate ourselves to doing only the most basic of 'provable' functions.

2020-02-22 04:41:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

which, themselves, are not even fully provable.

2020-02-22 04:43:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

I think the question there is, however...

2020-02-22 04:43:27 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

To what degree is it acceptable to appeal to authority?

2020-02-22 04:43:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Eh, nitpicking is my specialty, as in this case I think it holds valid meaning.

2020-02-22 04:43:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

If we refuse appeals to authority of any magnitude, we refuse everything.

2020-02-22 04:46:33 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well, if you could fly out there and see one...you're probably already in it.

2020-02-22 04:46:38 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

And seeing would be rather hard.

2020-02-22 04:46:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Plenty do.

2020-02-22 04:46:54 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

But, most of them are asleep right now.

2020-02-22 04:47:36 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well, it doesn't really change much though if it is true or not.

2020-02-22 04:47:49 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Yes.

2020-02-22 04:47:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Check above.

2020-02-22 04:48:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

I'm not sure I'd say most, but the most public ones, I'd agree.

2020-02-22 04:48:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

They argue it is density.

2020-02-22 04:49:10 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Ask the Flat Earthers, not me.

2020-02-22 04:49:38 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Well, you know what the more scientific term for Relative Density is, right?

2020-02-22 04:50:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Also, of note, Buoyancy and Relative Density are two entirely different things.

2020-02-22 04:50:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Yep.

2020-02-22 04:50:40 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Relative Density doesn't even have units

2020-02-22 04:50:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #flat-earth]  

Because it is a ratio

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