Message from @Saturn

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2020-02-22 04:40:06 UTC  

I've back up claims with evidence that I try to do myself.

2020-02-22 04:41:04 UTC  

But...are you not appealing to the authority of the program itself?

2020-02-22 04:41:37 UTC  

That's the thing, if we deny any authority whatsoever, we throw out anything that is provable by those more informed than us and regulate ourselves to doing only the most basic of 'provable' functions.

2020-02-22 04:41:44 UTC  

which, themselves, are not even fully provable.

2020-02-22 04:42:49 UTC  

I completely agree with you about denying authority. Modern humans would not be where they are today without appealing to authority.

2020-02-22 04:43:19 UTC  

I think the question there is, however...

2020-02-22 04:43:21 UTC  

But you are nitpicking debate tactics here.

2020-02-22 04:43:27 UTC  

To what degree is it acceptable to appeal to authority?

2020-02-22 04:43:41 UTC  

Eh, nitpicking is my specialty, as in this case I think it holds valid meaning.

2020-02-22 04:43:52 UTC  

If we refuse appeals to authority of any magnitude, we refuse everything.

2020-02-22 04:45:27 UTC  

for some reason observable only means "observable with the resources i immediately have access to", which doesn't make sense. It's pretty clear the level of wealth needed to observe some of these phenomena is actually possesed by people alive today

2020-02-22 04:45:47 UTC  

Something like a black hole though? Yeah a true skeptic may never see "observable" evidence

2020-02-22 04:46:09 UTC  

because no one really has good enough resourceses to fly out and see one or something, and likely no one ever will

2020-02-22 04:46:33 UTC  

Well, if you could fly out there and see one...you're probably already in it.

2020-02-22 04:46:38 UTC  

Does anyone here think the earth is flat, cause it’s round

2020-02-22 04:46:38 UTC  

And seeing would be rather hard.

2020-02-22 04:46:46 UTC  

Plenty do.

2020-02-22 04:46:54 UTC  

But, most of them are asleep right now.

2020-02-22 04:46:56 UTC  

I'd disagree with that. It's not one or the other. I'm not a flat earther, but I can understand a flat earther finding it hard to believe that satellites adjust for time dilation because there is *basically* no way to confirm this for ourselves other than trusting an authority. You can compare this to something like, "I used a telescope to check my claim, here's a picture I took". There is a difference.

2020-02-22 04:47:10 UTC  

basically no way to confirm, given my resources yes

2020-02-22 04:47:36 UTC  

Well, it doesn't really change much though if it is true or not.

2020-02-22 04:47:45 UTC  

You know some people don’t believe in gravity

2020-02-22 04:47:49 UTC  

Yes.

2020-02-22 04:47:51 UTC  

Check above.

2020-02-22 04:48:02 UTC  

most flat earthers do not believe in gravity.

2020-02-22 04:48:30 UTC  

What’s keeping us from floating up into the stratosphere

2020-02-22 04:48:39 UTC  

I'm not sure I'd say most, but the most public ones, I'd agree.

2020-02-22 04:48:43 UTC  

They argue it is density.

2020-02-22 04:48:55 UTC  

Most flat earthers don't believe in Newton's laws if you push them hard enough

2020-02-22 04:48:57 UTC  

Density of what

2020-02-22 04:49:06 UTC  

Relative density / buoyancy.

2020-02-22 04:49:10 UTC  

Ask the Flat Earthers, not me.

2020-02-22 04:49:10 UTC  

they think propulsion in space is impossible lol

2020-02-22 04:49:15 UTC  

of the object in the medium.

2020-02-22 04:49:16 UTC  

(some do)

2020-02-22 04:49:38 UTC  

Well, you know what the more scientific term for Relative Density is, right?

2020-02-22 04:50:20 UTC  

haha specific gravity?

2020-02-22 04:50:21 UTC  

Also, of note, Buoyancy and Relative Density are two entirely different things.

2020-02-22 04:50:23 UTC  

Yep.

2020-02-22 04:50:40 UTC  

Relative Density doesn't even have units

2020-02-22 04:50:43 UTC  

Because it is a ratio