And are also fake.

...

I told you, it doesn't have to make sense.

They just need *some* kind of explanation.

And cognitive dissonance can do the rest.

The second commercial Spaceflight is available, I’m buying tickets for as many flat earthers as possible.

Don't.

They may want a free ticket.

Save them for family, friends...

Good point.

Ah, what the hell, I’ll wait until they’re cheaper in the far future.

If flat earthers still exist then.

(Which I doubt.)

A lot of the issues that get brought up by flat earthers is that you're simply *telling* them something is the case. In the example of satellites adjusting their internal clocks due to special relativistic time dilation, there's no observable proof that they do this - just conjecture.

For a while there were those who doubted that humans could live 1,000 feet off the ground, and insisted that pilots, balloonists or anything similar faked it all.

Well, there is observable proof of this, but the problem they have is that it comes from sources they deem unreputable.

yes, exactly. there's no way for regular people to actually observe this themselves.

Well, there is...

*But*

so, it's an appeal to authority.

You need to put down some money to do it.

Flat earthers only deem sources reputable if they agree with them.

Less of an appeal to authority, but a close tangential all the same.

Sure.

you're saying regular people can get onto a moving satellite and watch the clocks adjust for time dilation?

They can put something on a moving satellite, yes.

Or on a sub-orbital rocket.

They can conduct their own experiments with enough money.

a regular, non-astronaut person for long enough to watch the clocks eventually adjust?

If they build a device to do it for them...yes.

Or some kind of mechanism to calculate it.

Then, of course...

and that they'd be ALLOWED to do this?

You'd have to trust their word.

you see what I'm saying?

Yes, they would.

You can also, at that point, see plenty of other indicators of the form of the Earth.

Not just relativistic motion.

What also bugs me about them is that they don’t listen to logic. You show them the calculations, the reasons why things are, and they just throw it away and call it fake.

sigh. look, this is what a lot flat earther's are getting at. they want something you can actually test realistically.

I’ve always wanted to see a physical argument between an astrophysicist and a flat earther.