@Kesh +1

https://www.skeptic.com/insight/flat-earth-conspiracy-theory/

Is hierdie thread nie veronderstel om oor Infowars te gaan nie? Die nuus verspreider?

Want sover is dit 90% mense wat probeer debateer dat die plat-aarde n ding is. En 10% willekeurige nuus artikels wat niks met enige iets te doen het nie...

@Sheamus goed nou verstaan ek ook 😛 die conspiracy goed is moer cool.

https://youtu.be/Vss6zPpfHQo

@Deejay from Earth far as I know the church never introduced heliocentrism. They accepted it after it was proven to be fact and admitted they were wrong because the geocentric system was utterly disproved.

Nicolaus Copernicus first introduced his findings and research which was followed up and built upon by Johannes Kepler and Galileo Galilei

@rob rob kinda like the bible then?

@Deejay from Earth Also both copernicus and Galileo were hunted down by the church for committing "heresy". They were forced to denounce their findings but it was already spreading through the world.

Their works are published and can be studied and you will come to the same conclusions because they did so much reasearch. Facts can not change.

The proof is everywhere dude. If you can show me to the edge of your flat earth I will believe you because Antarctica is just the southernmost continent on the planet and not a wall. There is numerous evedence proving it is not a wall

FE implies that it exists...

Those are pictures of the shelves

So what is west of Westeros?

waow XD

Imperial units ugg... what concept is the corn pic above @Deejay from Earth ?

We will just have to build it to see if it works or not... the truth is in experiment. The rest is just poetry.

So with reference to the atmoSPHERIC elecricity. We have then been surrounded by infinite amounts of electricity from the start and already had the means of harnessing it. But no one ever bothered to commercialize the designs for the devices that can do so?

3:17 in daai video. "We did not measure it, but we know..."🤣

So lets just ignore +-5000 years of physical history and ancient texts with proven archeological excavations linking to these texts and events. Throw away the entire bible and all the proof we have of events that took place around 2000 BC to this day. Ok so the ark was used to rescue everything we know of today? But this happened 300 years ago?

To the contrary. Star formation walls are tactically superior to a square compound. With the star formation the attacker is either forced to attack one of the points which is stronger than the flat wall part and takes longer to besiege. Or they attack the flat wall part on any side and risk being attacked from the front and side while they try to break through the multiple layers of wall...

How do eclipses happen if the sun and moon are always oposing each other as that gif of yours shows? I do not know much about geology or meteorology so i can not comment on wind and clouds.

What I can say however is that density is definitely linked to gravity. Seeing as density is defined as a unit mass per a init volume. And mass in the density definition is calculated using gravitational pull of the earth.

And also I saw the curviture of the earth through its shadow on the moon this weekend when the total lunar eclipse happened... took photos of it too😁

Density is indeed why baloons with helium go up. Until they reach high enough above the atmosphere where the air density forces the helium to expand to the point where the baloon bursts.

That is how weather baloons work too if I'm not mistaken. Only they do not burst for a long time sothat they can actually collect atmospheric data. And that in turn helps weather stations to predict the weather and storms even over oceans before they happen.

Whats with the low fps... and why does it look like an animation instead of actual footage?

https://youtu.be/O4EdNntvc3I

This footage seems more believable as you can see the camera being launched and most of the journey until the curvature appears visually and the baloon pops at a critical altitude.

I do know yes. And it is explained in the video too. Also the horison is where it should be. I see the horizon just like it looks on the camera footage. The "horizon" which now at high altitude includes all the atmospheric zones too, starts to curve when the hight is enough and more of the earth comes into view. But the only way to see the entire earth is to leave the atmosphere entirely and either enter into orbit aroind the planet or keep going away into deep space.

https://youtu.be/2Jsu9W4qh6Q

Not made assumptions😂 showed you my evidences and told you why yours is wrong. However you have not given me even as much as a photograph of the "outer wall" you believe is there. Nor have you proven eclipses on FE. What is with the low fps on the video that looks like an animation and please disprove gravity for me. Show me that on earth, newtons gravity laws do not hold. I have all my proofs and they are measurable. I just need measurements from your side otherwise I am really sorry but I am going to have to live on my round earth where satellites allow internet and gps to exist, where our planet is protected from the deadly rays from the sun which are deflected by our magnetic field generated by the molten iron core. And lastly please build that wire system that allegedly boosts crop production and do a proper experiment or find one that has been properly recorded by trustworthy groups. Then we can laugh together over a braai about the "mud flood" of 300 years ago 🤣.

1The go-pro videos only prove you know nothing about photography, perspective or how the human eye works.
Ok I admit the lenses could have an effect of the image, but how do you then explain the countless videos of footage from space launches that actually go all the way to orbit around the world and they show the world as a spherical object?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyq5eN9C4Cc
2. I posted the pictures of the ice wall and you just ignored them.
The pictures you posted are pictures of the ice SHELVES. I know those exist, but not a WALL. The term wall implies there is something on the other side when you scale it and get to the top. Or in your case there is nothing on the other side or maybe some glass dome that acts as a barrier of sorts? Antarctica is a continent.

3. I don't have too, since you still can't prove the alleged axial rotation of the earth. Or any of your other claims.
Here is a very simple video with not much mathematics so you can understand the concept completely of the tilt of the earth’s rotation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE3NQFuDpws
This is also the cause of the sun being on different areas above or below the Ecliptic depending on the season and time of day (the area where all the milky way stars, our sun and planets are orbiting).

4. How is this relevant and what does it prove?
It is of course very relevant, when an animated video is animated it is made by putting multiple frames together from a 3D sculpted world. It is like taking multiple pictures one after the other and packing them one after the other as time goes on. The faster the camera (or rendering software in your case I think) can take pictures, the faster the fps count (sorry if you already knew this). I just ask that you give me a video that was shot by a real person like I gave you a video of someone who literally took a camera and it recorded till it fell back to earth (it was in a protective casing if you look at the video again). Or better yet, show me a video (with humans in it at the start) of a camera hitting and visually showing the “dome” above the flat surface.

One of the best documented methods for determining the Earth’s roundness was first performed (to my knowledge) by the ancient Greeks. This was achieved by comparing the shadows of sticks in different locations. When the sun was directly overhead in one place, the stick there cast no shadow. At the same time in a city around 500 miles north, the stick there did cast a shadow.

5.Gravity has never been proven in the first place, therefore cannot be dis-proven. Also you can't prove a negative.
Gravity is measurable:
https://youtu.be/6cNftG4IdAI

Newton's law is empirical, we use it because it works when doing calculations involving gravity. If it did not work it would not be used, what more proof do you want? Einstein formulated the laws of relativity
In 1905, Albert Einstein determined that the laws of physics are the same for all non-accelerating observers, and that the speed of light in a vacuum was independent of the motion of all observers. This was the theory of special relativity. It introduced a new framework for all of physics and proposed new concepts of space and time.
Einstein then spent 10 years trying to include acceleration in the theory and published his theory of general relativity in 1915. In it, he determined that massive objects cause a distortion in space-time, which is felt as gravity.

6. Then please submit them for scrutiny my good sir.
This is a video of a guy taking a telescope and DSLR camera and proving by experiment the curvature of the earth exists. He shows all his workings and all his measurements as well as all his equipment used. He adds a nice explanation of perspective and why most online calculators get it wrong when calculating curvature. They usually do not include humidity, refraction of light or position and exact shape of the earth. In your above table you posted values of curvature of a globe which was generated by CAD (Computer Aided Design). I believe I would get close to those values if I run the actual experiments, but I do not have the money or other resources to do so. (hence the video of the guy who did it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrihjP5tTTM

This video explains in nice, easy illustrations how the earth is tilted and why that fact is why we have seasons. It is also the reason for the sun appearing either below or above the Ecliptic (the line above us on the celestial sphere found if you project the orbit of the sun outwards) depending on the season, date, time and viewers location on the earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE3NQFuDpws

This is an experiment proving the gravitational acceleration constant and thus that gravity is quantifiable and therefore exists. A grade 10 learner could do this physics in grade 8 with the equations of motion (I am a tutor in physics and mathematics in spare time).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_fh8WKqVCw

Footage of the Antarctic ice shelf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uBxvnG6NwU
These are a start at least.

7. See the chart I posted earlier.
See my comment about CAD and how they influence calculation by using near perfect spheres on models.

8. Iron loses it magnetic properties when you heat it up, and that is what the THEORY of gravity needs to work.Oops.
The outside layer is liquid this is true, but the inner third of the core is solid because of the pressure difference. There is a slight variance in the field strength because the solid part shifts, this is why there are sometimes weak points in the magnetic field that can cause interference on earthside communication devices and electrical transfer mediums. Solar flares can also physically rip through our magnetic field and damage electronics in a large area and even cause large scale blackouts (this has happened in the past).

Thus it does produce a magnetic field which protects us from the harmful frequencies of charged particles. Some of these particles however do enter through the north and south poles where the magnetic fields act as funnels. This is what causes the Auroras (Borealis for northern lights and Australis for southern lights) this can be found on any astronomy source and I know this because I did a course in basic astronomy before deciding to study the stars and find the answers I have been seeking since I can remember having a critical thought.

9. Here's your experiment Sir. (https://youtu.be/nUFMZkxochs?t=5377)
In this experiment he is trying to show how apparent drift will not happen in a directional gyro when it is standing stationary. I agree completely with this statement seeing as drift only occurs when the gyro is moving away or towards the equator. This effect is compensated for by the technology of GPS and micro controller chips which help laser guided gyroscopes be as accurate as possible. This is why planes tend to crash less and pilots know where to fly with no visual aid, seeing as all the technology on planes and jets do most of the looking for the pilot and just translates the data into information the pilot can use to make informed decisions. Here is another video explaining the concept:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkdKZQwfiN8

Also look at his reference points from start to finish in his car when using the directional gyro in his car for the driving part. They change during the drive, thus the reading cannot be taken as accurate because we cannot be sure that his car and the gyro is oriented in the exact same direction in which he started his drive.
Start:

Finish:

Now I ask again. Disprove the gravity law of newton and the relativity law of Einstein, show me a picture of the Antarctic wall and possibly what lays beyond, or what do you think lays beyond? Show me where your multiple luminaries come from (the one is from an Indian myth remember), what they look like and which laws govern their movement so that eclipses can be predicted as they are being predicted by the physics and astronomy you so whole heartedly try to discredit. My mathematics and science is solid, the laws work and I have not seen anything that shows or experimentally (accurately) tells me otherwise. I mean gravitational waves were recently detected after studying black holes, they were predicted by Einstein and Hawking’s works.

Im going to have some load shedding now XD lieflike Suid Afrika.😛

Ai nee wat... lyk my nie jy wil praat nie. Ek sal weer met jou praat as jy met iets konkreet na my toe kom soos ek na jou toe gekom het. Jou CAD tabel neem aan dis n soliede amper perfekte sfeer. En daai curvature sal dan gesien word. Maar die globe is nie perfek nie. Nie naastenby nie. En ek sal nooit daai curvature values van jou kan kry nie want jy neem nie my feite in ag vir jou tabel nie. Ook is daar steeds nie n muur nie. En jy kan steeds nie vir my wys dat 9.8 nie die gravitasie versnellings konstante is wat gravitasie kwantiseer nie. Gaan nie my kop try breek op die nie want daar is tog belangriker dinge waaroor ons kan praat?

Want ek bewys juis wat ek glo met my sintuie, wiskunde, ervaring, logika en common sense😂

Is that book available in audio form? Btw I also wonder about that question of why the world is so bad if we have such a great amount of knowledge...

@Deejay from Earth dankie man.

@deavmi only one it seems, far as I have seen... snaakse debat tho.

@Deejay from Earth yes ou. Het jy al na Australia toe gevlieg one way vir n vakansie of iets?

Ek wil nog USA toe... damn daar is paar epic plekke daar. Ekt op n stadium n vid gesien van n ou wat n RC plane met n turbine engine gebou het en daai ding was mal vinnig.

Dis insane!

Yes daai is die een

Maar relatief tot die aarde beweeg die vliegtuie nie mach 1.3 nie. Dit is hoekom hle kan opstuig

Relatief is maklik bewysbaar. Ry net opi snelweg. As 2 karre in die selfde rigting ry. 1 teen 130kph en een teen 110 kph. Dan relatief tot kar 2 ry kar 1 20kph.

Hy het want dis hoe ek weet. Ekt dit in eerste jaar fisika geleer al tho.

Want relatief tot die aarde beweeg jy nie as jy stil staan nie en dus sal jy natuurlik nie voel dat jy beweeg nie. Dit is soos om op n maglev trein te ry teen about 700kph. Wanneer hy accellerate voel jy beweeging. Maar wanneer hy teen konstante spoed travel voel jy asof jy stil staan al beweeg die trein relatief tot die aarde. En ook onthou die aarde is abour 4.5 biljoen jaar oud so die atmosfeer het al baie tyd gehad om op te vang met die rotasie spoed van die aarde. Dit is ook hoekom ons nie vermorsel word deur 1000 kph winde nie want die atmosfeer beweeg nasenby teen die selfde rotasie spoed as die aarde... ekt vju n video vroer gestuur waar die gravitasie konstante op aarde in lug bewys word en dus gravitasie ook. Ook een waar n ou op 2 locations die curvature deur n baie sterk teleskoop wys. So al die eksperimente is klaar in die chat vir jou.

Die rail onder sal nooit relatief tot die trein beweeg nie. Want relatief tot die aarde sal hy nooit beweeg nie dis hoekom die trein in enige rigting kan beweeg sonder n fuss. Die atmosfeer beweeg saam die aarde omdat hulle 'gravity locked' is. Ek sal n paper hier post wat dit ook verduidelik. Die maan is ook gravity locked aan die aarde by the way en dis hoekom ons altyd net 1 kant van die maan sien. En vliegtuie kry dus nie die mach 1.3 winde nie juis omdat hulle beweeg deur die atmosfees wat relatief stadig beweeg teenoor die aarde omdat die aarde gravitasie al uitoefen daarop vir die laaste paar biljoen jaar.

@Rendier well daai is n pretty stupid move van itunes gewees...

Maar sien jy kani van gewig praat as gravitasie nie vestaan nie. Gravitasie is in die definisie van gewig saam met massa. En als weeg nie die selfde nie want gravitasie bly die selfde maar massa verander agv digtheid.

Elke dag word dit al om jou bewys ou bull jy wil dit net nie raaksien as feit nie. En dit is actual wetenskap want dit is meetbaar wiskundig en deur experiment. Ek het vju die links al gestuur met AL die bewyse wat jou 200 bewyse either verkeerd bewys of saamstem omdat dit actualy feitlik is en op ons aarde werk maar dit kan ook op jle space pancake werk want sekere parameters kan ignore word wanneer jy sekere konsepte bewys.

https://youtu.be/JgY8zNZ35uw

https://youtu.be/TeMooNFtFJk

https://youtu.be/EJ0EKJWyl_g

https://youtu.be/1rmXP4Q2ZpI

Die lig kom deur die wolke en dit kom teen verskillende hoeke in omdat hy so groot is maar ook so vêr. Die hoeke word veroorsaak deur die posisie van die wolke. Ons het AL jou vrae beantwoord jyt net gekies om te sê ons maak assumptions waar ons nie doen nie en om jouself te glo inplaas van om na ons kant te luister en ons siening te bekyk soos ons joune probeer bekyk het.

Onthou jy nie die aarde het n atmosfeer nie? Klomp van die lig partikels word absorbeer. Ander word rond gereflekteer en die ander beweeg in relatief reguit lyne😉

Sien daar gaan jy weer met ons wat aaneem en spekuleer en teoreties en al jou woorde. Maar jy kan lykmy fisies net nie van jou pannekoek afklim en debateer nie. Jy het jou siening en ons probeer dit insien. Ons het ons siening en jy kyk net van jou kant van die bord af en smeer al ons bewyse toe omdat jy vas glo dat ons op n space pizza snow globe lewe... plus jyt nounou n boek gereference wat praat oor 20 BCE. Jyt noudie dag vir ons n klomp videos gepos waarin mense glo die noag vloed was 300 of 400 jaar trug? So dus bestaan als van 1600 af gladnie vir jou nie en kan jy niks daaruit reference vir jou plat aarde nie. Niks experimente wat daar uitgegoer is nie. Geen argeologiese finds nie. Geen wiskunde nie... asb tjop ek probeer regtig nice wees maar debat kom van meer as 1 angle af anders is dit net geraas en chaos.

I came, I ran the gif above, I saw this illustration that matched my run on the gif, I laughed

lekker lang naweek al julle mense. veilige trips as jle travel.

Deejay do you remember that cad export you posted that had the terrible fps🤣 and you thought it was a camera on a ballon?

Also you can see that they can both see each other on the 2 points in the video. If you really want to prove there is no curvature. Please point a stronger laser over water between SA and Australia. Or even SA and south America somewhere. Because then you will absolutely see the curvature causes the laser to not be seen on the other side. Think critically and stop crying when we use your evidence to disprove your own wayward believes.

Then the reciprocate is just as true deejay🤣

@MR VLAK well done op daai. Ekt al gewens ek kon daai illustrate. Darm het daar mense gejoin wat kan.

@Rooikappie of as hle vas glo dis n halwe bubble waar ons in SA vir Australia kan sien van seevlak af🤣🤣😂😅

Show us Australia from SA at sea level😏

Surface tension can not exist without gravity and intermolecular forces...

🤣 @4rvp well tegnies gebeur dit letterlik opi oomblik met n bal die size van Aarde. Ons noem hierdie bal ook Aarde want dit is die planeet waarop ons huidiglik is.

@Deejay from Earth we do NOT have perfect orbits and thus entropy is infact correct and your statement above makes 0 logical sense.

@4rvp sorry about that. I Said that technically there is a ball the size of Earth doing exactly that experiment at this very moment. We call the big ball Earth too as it is the planet we are currently inhabiting.🤣

@Sheamus also want to see the creation your pc had to crunch so hard for. This debate was funny for a while then it got messy and deejay just could not get anything else through his skull... well done everyone who refused to forsake reason and logic for madness.

Hmmm...

Kinda funny reading the stuff that such paranoid people write...

So where do you guys think the world would be right now if Adolf Hitler did not die that day that he did?

What if the Germans won WW2 and became the supreme power on the globe after demolishing America as we know it today? Think the world would be better off without those things happening or not so much?