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2018-07-19 13:09:19 UTC

@Deejay from Earth Cool, can you tell me what force is responsible for making things fall and how I can empirically measure it?

2018-07-19 13:26:22 UTC

It's called Density and Buoyancy. And please tell me which instrument I can use to measure Gravity "empirically".

2018-07-19 13:28:12 UTC

2018-07-19 13:41:46 UTC

Better quality video

2018-07-19 14:14:09 UTC

Newtons Law of Universal gravitation does provide an answer for your point on ""Magnetism"". Gravity is not reliant on magnetism but rather on mass and the relationship between mass and the distance between two objects. We calculate this gravitational force, by applying the inverse square law. Once we have this force we can simulate an environment where we can accurately predict the movement of celestial bodies in our cosmos. This is why we are able to accurately predict when Haley's Comet is going to pass us years and years in advance, we can predict it to such a level of accuracy that we can say what trajectory it will have in our skys as it passes by. The ability to accurately predict the motion of celestial bodies is good enough data by itself to say that Gravity is a valid scientific concept. If you acknowledge gravity exists then from there we can go into reasons why gravity and its effects on space are what give the earth its "round" shape.

2018-07-19 14:47:31 UTC

Gravity? Where's your proof of gravity?

2018-07-19 14:47:46 UTC

Why is it still a theory after 500 years?

2018-07-19 14:48:43 UTC

eish bra... its not a theory. Its a Natural Law

2018-07-19 14:49:52 UTC

What instrument can I use to measure it?

2018-07-19 14:50:53 UTC

@Deejay from Earth a kitchen scale

2018-07-19 14:50:53 UTC

Ditsem! @Willem Petzer, you just advanced to level 5!

2018-07-19 14:51:39 UTC

@HoppeanSnake_ZA How was the 1600kmph speed of earth's axial rotation measured? When, where and what instruments were used?

2018-07-19 14:52:25 UTC

@Willem Petzer Top fucking kek<:pepe3:469478301644357633>

2018-07-19 14:54:00 UTC

2018-07-19 14:54:49 UTC

Yeah but Gravity is not theoretical physics...

2018-07-19 14:55:16 UTC

The definition of a scientific theory (often contracted to theory for the sake of brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word theory. In everyday speech, theory can imply that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, the opposite of its meaning in science. These different usages are comparable to the opposing usages of "prediction" in science versus common speech, where it denotes a mere hope.

2018-07-19 14:56:50 UTC

Four conclusive experiments performed by the top scientists of their day proved that the Sun, Moon and stars revolve around us, and that Earth is the fixed, motionless centre of the universe.

The Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale, Airy's Failure and Sagnac experiments scientifically proved Geocentrism and nearly crushed the dying Heliocentric theory until Mr. Einstein came through with his Special Relativity mathematical denial of the proven Aether and philosophically (not scientifically) banished the Aether from study ever since.

These studies and peer reviewed experiments are never covered in any university courses. These conclusive peer-reviewed and repeated scientific results are nowhere debated or denied, merely suppressed and ignored. The fact of the matter is that Geocentrism has been conclusively proven for over a century.

In 1913 Sagnac conducted an experiment to test the speed and constancy of light and proved the existence of the Aether (Disproves relativity) Therefore, The Michelson-Morley experiment, conducted using an interferometer clearly demonstrated that the Earth was motionless. The Michelson-Gale experiment detected the Aether/Firmament passing over the surface of the motionless Earth. Airy's Failure, demonstrated that it is the stars moving relative to a stationary Earth, and not the fast orbiting Earth moving relative to comparatively stationary stars.

2018-07-19 14:57:46 UTC

2018-07-19 14:58:28 UTC

I think you are having trouble visualising what a force is and how we can interpret it in a way that is easy to understand. Scientists and applied mathematicians use free body diagrams for this purpose.

2018-07-19 14:58:51 UTC

@HoppeanSnake_ZA Are you avoiding my question?

2018-07-19 14:59:08 UTC

2018-07-19 14:59:09 UTC

here is a link to a textbook that will help you understand what it is I am talking about

2018-07-19 15:00:16 UTC

I shall post my question again. @HoppeanSnake_ZA How was the 1600kmph speed of earth's axial rotation measured? When, where and what instruments were used?

2018-07-19 15:02:40 UTC

@Deejay from Earth okay so when we know what forces are acting on an object in space we draw Free Body Diagrams (FBDs) with all those forces acting in different directions, from there we can calculate things like angular velocity which gives us that figure that you gave.

2018-07-19 15:03:41 UTC

This was a good troll man, you did well.

2018-07-19 15:03:59 UTC

Why are you avoiding my question?

2018-07-19 15:04:11 UTC

I just answered it for you

2018-07-19 15:04:20 UTC

@HoppeanSnake_ZA How was the 1600kmph speed of earth's axial rotation measured? When, where and what instruments were used?

2018-07-19 15:04:36 UTC

okay so when we know what forces are acting on an object in space we draw Free Body Diagrams (FBDs) with all those forces acting in different directions, from there we can calculate things like angular velocity which gives us that figure that you gave.

2018-07-19 15:04:45 UTC

You only speculated as to how it may be done.

2018-07-19 15:04:51 UTC

angular velocity is rotational speed

2018-07-19 15:05:01 UTC

When was this done?

2018-07-19 15:05:11 UTC

What instruments were used?

2018-07-19 15:07:24 UTC

2018-07-19 15:07:40 UTC

Mucho Autismo

2018-07-19 15:09:45 UTC

2018-07-19 15:10:16 UTC

this is some epic shitposting

2018-07-19 15:10:29 UTC

I'm just getting warmed up.

2018-07-19 15:12:12 UTC

Yeah its a real pleasure having our own pet Flat-Earther

2018-07-19 15:13:03 UTC

Notice carefully which side of the argument gets personal first.

2018-07-19 15:15:31 UTC

**Makes sure that @Deejay from Earth has enough food, water and tinfoil**

2018-07-19 15:16:32 UTC

2018-07-19 15:43:32 UTC

Lol interesting read

2018-07-19 16:05:32 UTC

"Argument" lol

2018-07-19 16:08:13 UTC

2018-07-19 16:08:13 UTC

Ditsem! @Deejay from Earth, you just advanced to level 5!

2018-07-19 16:08:26 UTC

If you had an argument why are you spamming it here? Publish your thesis and research on the subject in a science forum where it can be discussed. Pro tip: memes are not an argument.

2018-07-19 16:13:41 UTC

@cยตrvy Well then why don't you just post the evidence for your model to make me go away? You completely ignored one of my previous posts which tells you which peer-reviewed papers you can go look up. If you had any proof of your Heliocentric philosophical fantasy you would have posted it by now. Edit Typo

2018-07-19 16:24:26 UTC

what benefit is there to you to care about this issue or to attempt to convince others?

2018-07-19 16:31:56 UTC

@Hyko Great question. It's more about the implications. Firstly, educational. If the earth actually is flat, how and why is Heliocentrism taught if it's not the truth? What does that say about the entire education system? (Same goes for evolution by the way). Secondly (and more importantly in my opinion) , we have the spiritual implications. People say they believe in God, the Bible etc, and they are Christian and believe that their God, who made the Earth, LIED to them in their very own Bible.

2018-07-19 16:33:44 UTC

thank you

2018-07-19 16:33:50 UTC

The Heliocentric model is ENTIRELY theoretical. There exists not ONE piece of empirical evidence for Gravity, the axial rotation of earth, or the missing curvature.

2018-07-19 16:55:31 UTC

That was a genuinely good question, environment shapes our perspective and our understanding. If we could be taught a lie, and believe it, then sure our understanding is conditioned to understand the world differently than what it really is. Deception of the highest degree, a lie so big, you couldn't comprehend it. It matters to anyone who is reasonable, while others content with their own knowledge, which is to be ignorant. I take interest in this conspiracy myself, because it matters to me what i understand the truth to be, and so many exposing controversy of deceptions and lies surrounding NASA really doesn't comfort me and average Joe that cannot exactly go and check for myself. So i keep what works, and what doesn't work i discard, and whatever idea produces the most accurate results to what i want to achieve, the closer i am to the truth. I think for everyone else interested in this are curious for similar reasons. It's interesting stuff to see the variety of reasons people use to argue their points of view and how they define justifiable evidence.

2018-07-19 16:56:58 UTC

If the earth was flat why are the moon and other planets spinning in circles?

2018-07-19 16:56:58 UTC

Ditsem! @Tjoppie, you just advanced to level 3!

2018-07-19 16:58:24 UTC

Excellen post @Sheamus , you nailed it. The "Education" system is nothing more than forced indoctrination. Memorize & repeat.

2018-07-19 16:59:10 UTC

And repetition is the most basic form of mind control.

2018-07-19 17:01:06 UTC

Yes a valid question i like to ask as well... I'm a space fanatic myself, i enjoy the science fictions, but i do have a tendency to think of space as a fiction, because science fictions tend to try to portray a liberal utopia, which also is a fantasy in reality. Is it coincidence that the push for this reasoning and belief is what lead the world to what it is today? I mean consider they way they think and reason, and then do so with everyone who has a different view, how their views impact their reality and choices.

2018-07-19 17:01:55 UTC

@Tjoppie This is roughly what it looks like and how it works. Note however that the motion of the moon is not correct.

2018-07-19 17:02:26 UTC

I'm not arguing for or against either flat earth or global earth. I just expressing my observations

2018-07-19 17:05:38 UTC

@Sheamus I have no doubt whatsoever that it is a deliberate fraud. Perpetrated with intent to deceive. Because you don't teach your slaves how to make guns. And trust me when I say the big picture is a thousand times more unbelievable than flat earth itself.

2018-07-19 17:07:34 UTC

Oh yeah, I've gone to dark places, the heart is deceptive, and desperately wicked; and i know it. I know how great the deception could be.

2018-07-19 17:07:34 UTC

Ditsem! @Sheamus, you just advanced to level 3!

2018-07-19 17:07:46 UTC

Well the earth is not totally in a perfect circle it round but not perfectly round. Round papato shaped. Moon does not spin... I wanted to say that it does not make sense for earth to be flat or even near by flat. If it was we would not have had seasons.

2018-07-19 17:12:36 UTC

@Tjoppie That is not correct sorry. The Heliocentric model can not describe seasons or even length of day. It fails logically long before you even get to the experiments.

Quoting "Heaven and Earth by Gabrielle Henriet,

โ€œThe theory of the rotation of the earth may once and for all be definitely disposed of as impracticable by pointing out the following inadvertence. It is said that the rotation takes twenty-four hours and that its speed is uniform, in which case, necessarily, days and nights should have an identical duration of twelve hours each all the year round. The sun should invariably rise in the morning and set in the evening at the same hours, with the result that it would be the equinox every day from the 1st of January to the 31st of December. One should stop and reflect on this before saying that the earth has a movement of rotation. How does the system of gravitation account for the seasonal variations in the lengths of days and nights if the earth rotates at a uniform speed in twenty-four hours!?โ€

2018-07-19 17:12:53 UTC

The mark of an intellectual man, is a man that entertain an idea without accepting it. So run with it, entertain the idea, and then see how that impacts your perception and perspective, then you know what to look for as evidence. When you find that evidence exactly as your predicted it... Would that not be the truth? Of course, it could totally be a joke, but at least you would know. See what it offers, and how it impacts your life and understanding of the world around you... We all kind of feel helpless now, struggling to solve problems. Clearly our understanding is not what it could be, because then we would have solutions to problems.

2018-07-19 17:13:24 UTC

Hope i don't come off too crazy, but if you are here reading any of this, you obviously curious.

2018-07-19 17:20:21 UTC

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2018-07-19 17:23:09 UTC

Gleasons map from 1892

2018-07-19 17:23:32 UTC

2018-07-19 17:41:45 UTC

I've read all of this, and I don't see a point in arguing it out, because it seems the arguments are ideologically driven, and quite honestly it looks like it is all based on fundamental misunderstandings of the concepts presented. That would lead to circular arguments that I don't believe progress could be made on. I will say I've presented astrophysics research to NASA. I am of fan of history and both models go back to ancient Greece, and proof being found all the way back then. I am also a pilot, and I can perceive the curvature of the planet with my own eyes at a surprisingly low altitude.

That said, there certainly is plenty of junk science out there. There is plenty of reasons to hate the education system/gov etc, without even having to go into anything they deny. They are open about so much nonsense they do, I see no need for even delving into conspiracy issues. I fear you have chosen the wrong hill to die on here.

2018-07-19 17:51:33 UTC

Correct, it's ideological. Ideology plays a big role in our perception, and so ideology is essentially perception. On one side of the argument, there are people who have ideas, on the other, the perception that ideas have people. One side sees open minded people as conspiracy theories, the other sees the narrow minded as the conspiracy theorists. Even coming down to subjects as controversial as slavery, one side cannot fathom a reason to justify, the other perfectly capable of justifying it reasonably. It's flippen interesting to see how differently people perceive and reason. But yes it comes down to ideology, even those that reject ideology, are subject to ideology.

2018-07-19 18:05:02 UTC (EXPERIMENT #1 Showing no apparent drift whatsoever)

2018-07-19 18:09:10 UTC

(EXPERIMENT #2 - 6 hours - still no movement)

2018-07-19 18:09:43 UTC

""Idealogically driven" my arse.

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2018-07-19 18:11:51 UTC

2018-07-19 18:13:41 UTC

Well it is ideologically driven... What else drives our ability to reason?

Definition of ideology. plural ideologies. 1 : visionary theorizing. 2 a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture. b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture.

2018-07-19 18:20:21 UTC

@Sheamus Our ability to reason is driven by our natural innate curiosity about the world. You know how curious little kids are? That ability is supposed to always be with us throughout our lives. We are supposed to try and fathom the unfathomable mysteries of life. And that is why the Educational Indoctrination system exists - to cure the curiosity and turn us into a tax-paying wage-slaves who thinks they know everything about the world and there is nothing more to learn. - If you're not curious about the world, you might as well be dead. EDIT Fixed typos

2018-07-19 18:32:12 UTC

Yes agreed, i always like to think curiousity is the voice of reason. I'm open minded, and i see your perspective as well. But curiousity still doesn't take away from the fact that our understanding is based on our perception. Since we don't create it, only observe it, we therefore don't create ideas, but instead recognize ideas and willingly serve the good ideas and reject the bad, or ignorantly get enslaved by other ideas, deceptively believing it to be our own for profit most likely... (Those people that let their emotions dictate their reason, and exploit others feelings.)

Ideology is at the core of our ability to reason, curiousity itself is not reason, but it is the means that lead to intellectual stimulation, where as feelings the means of emotional stimulation. Some reason with with their feelings, others feelings dictate their reason. There's only one truth, but many lies.

2018-07-19 18:32:45 UTC

@Sheamus Can I also just say that in order to be able to reason logically as well as think critically, one needs a baseline of truth - one major proven thing - and from there, all knowledge about the rest of the system can be deduced logically. And that is where the flat earth comes in. The most easily proven conspiracy of all time. Also the biggest.

2018-07-19 18:38:23 UTC

@Sheamus "Ideology is at the core of our ability to reason". I have to disagree with that one. Ideology is a modern man-made contraption. My reasoning is driven by a thirst for truth. Has been for the last 20 years or so.

2018-07-19 18:41:58 UTC

Yes, and that truth is an idea none the less. The idea of truth is a concept. And you have a collection or body of concepts that make up your understanding and help you understand how the pieces fit together, and how to interact with the world to get the desired results. This is what ideology is.

How do you define ideology then, if not a set of ideas and principles that influence our understanding and interpretation of our environment and solve our problems?

2018-07-19 18:50:04 UTC

Correct, however, the nature of reality as we experience it every day is what I'm on about. All my Flat Earth arguments are based in hard science - not ideology. It is all about the Zetetic method of investigation, which is not to try and prove a point, but to examine and test and see what something actually is and how it works. And when you find out what the earth is and how it works, you will start getting an understanding of what a human being actually is. And when we find out exactly & scientifically what this place is and what we are... maybe then we can define our true purpose here on this earth.

2018-07-19 18:58:22 UTC

I'm not disagreeing with you on that, but your method of science is an idea in itself, it's an idea of how to determine the truth. People can't agree on what the truth is because we can't agree on a means to determine truth, one prefers a method they themselves can apply and witness it for themselves, another prefers the idea that an authority they trust in tells them what the truth is. And this can be broken down into many layers. So as far as ideology goes, its real, it exists, that's what spiritual nature and realm is, that's what drives our cognitive experiences. Ideas really impact experiences and what we call reality.

You can't go and say you have no idea what truth or reality is can you? Let me repeat that. "You can't go and say you have NO IDEA what truth or reality is". You must have an idea, idea is the key-word in ideology.

2018-07-19 19:05:22 UTC

Does a river need to have the idea of flowing down-hill before actually flowing down-hill? Or does it just do what's in its nature. Things can happen without an idea.

2018-07-19 19:08:21 UTC

Lol nature is governed by principles, so is the water that flows with the idea of gravity... =)

2018-07-19 19:12:52 UTC

Ah yes. Nature IS governed by a set of principles. And when you can accurately measure those principles, you may start getting a glimpse into the very nature of man. And isn't that what "Faith" is? An absolute understanding of the nature of your reality and your place in it? See how faith is the same as scientific proof? ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-07-19 19:14:05 UTC

I'm out, night all.

2018-07-19 19:16:39 UTC

Dis jammer

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