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@Deejay from Earth Cool, can you tell me what force is responsible for making things fall and how I can empirically measure it?
It's called Density and Buoyancy. And please tell me which instrument I can use to measure Gravity "empirically".
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Newtons Law of Universal gravitation does provide an answer for your point on ""Magnetism"". Gravity is not reliant on magnetism but rather on mass and the relationship between mass and the distance between two objects. We calculate this gravitational force, by applying the inverse square law. Once we have this force we can simulate an environment where we can accurately predict the movement of celestial bodies in our cosmos. This is why we are able to accurately predict when Haley's Comet is going to pass us years and years in advance, we can predict it to such a level of accuracy that we can say what trajectory it will have in our skys as it passes by. The ability to accurately predict the motion of celestial bodies is good enough data by itself to say that Gravity is a valid scientific concept. If you acknowledge gravity exists then from there we can go into reasons why gravity and its effects on space are what give the earth its "round" shape.
Gravity? Where's your proof of gravity?
Why is it still a theory after 500 years?
eish bra... its not a theory. Its a Natural Law
What instrument can I use to measure it?
@HoppeanSnake_ZA How was the 1600kmph speed of earth's axial rotation measured? When, where and what instruments were used?
Yeah but Gravity is not theoretical physics...
The definition of a scientific theory (often contracted to theory for the sake of brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word theory. In everyday speech, theory can imply that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, the opposite of its meaning in science. These different usages are comparable to the opposing usages of "prediction" in science versus common speech, where it denotes a mere hope.
Four conclusive experiments performed by the top scientists of their day proved that the Sun, Moon and stars revolve around us, and that Earth is the fixed, motionless centre of the universe.
The Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale, Airy's Failure and Sagnac experiments scientifically proved Geocentrism and nearly crushed the dying Heliocentric theory until Mr. Einstein came through with his Special Relativity mathematical denial of the proven Aether and philosophically (not scientifically) banished the Aether from study ever since.
These studies and peer reviewed experiments are never covered in any university courses. These conclusive peer-reviewed and repeated scientific results are nowhere debated or denied, merely suppressed and ignored. The fact of the matter is that Geocentrism has been conclusively proven for over a century.
In 1913 Sagnac conducted an experiment to test the speed and constancy of light and proved the existence of the Aether (Disproves relativity) Therefore, The Michelson-Morley experiment, conducted using an interferometer clearly demonstrated that the Earth was motionless. The Michelson-Gale experiment detected the Aether/Firmament passing over the surface of the motionless Earth. Airy's Failure, demonstrated that it is the stars moving relative to a stationary Earth, and not the fast orbiting Earth moving relative to comparatively stationary stars.
I think you are having trouble visualising what a force is and how we can interpret it in a way that is easy to understand. Scientists and applied mathematicians use free body diagrams for this purpose.
here is a link to a textbook that will help you understand what it is I am talking about
I shall post my question again. @HoppeanSnake_ZA How was the 1600kmph speed of earth's axial rotation measured? When, where and what instruments were used?
@Deejay from Earth okay so when we know what forces are acting on an object in space we draw Free Body Diagrams (FBDs) with all those forces acting in different directions, from there we can calculate things like angular velocity which gives us that figure that you gave.
This was a good troll man, you did well.
Why are you avoiding my question?
I just answered it for you
@HoppeanSnake_ZA How was the 1600kmph speed of earth's axial rotation measured? When, where and what instruments were used?
okay so when we know what forces are acting on an object in space we draw Free Body Diagrams (FBDs) with all those forces acting in different directions, from there we can calculate things like angular velocity which gives us that figure that you gave.
You only speculated as to how it may be done.
angular velocity is rotational speed
When was this done?
What instruments were used?
this is some epic shitposting
I'm just getting warmed up.
Yeah its a real pleasure having our own pet Flat-Earther
Notice carefully which side of the argument gets personal first.
**Makes sure that @Deejay from Earth has enough food, water and tinfoil**
Lol interesting read
If you had an argument why are you spamming it here? Publish your thesis and research on the subject in a science forum where it can be discussed. Pro tip: memes are not an argument.
@cµrvy Well then why don't you just post the evidence for your model to make me go away? You completely ignored one of my previous posts which tells you which peer-reviewed papers you can go look up. If you had any proof of your Heliocentric philosophical fantasy you would have posted it by now. Edit Typo
what benefit is there to you to care about this issue or to attempt to convince others?
@Hyko Great question. It's more about the implications. Firstly, educational. If the earth actually is flat, how and why is Heliocentrism taught if it's not the truth? What does that say about the entire education system? (Same goes for evolution by the way). Secondly (and more importantly in my opinion) , we have the spiritual implications. People say they believe in God, the Bible etc, and they are Christian and believe that their God, who made the Earth, LIED to them in their very own Bible.
The Heliocentric model is ENTIRELY theoretical. There exists not ONE piece of empirical evidence for Gravity, the axial rotation of earth, or the missing curvature.
That was a genuinely good question, environment shapes our perspective and our understanding. If we could be taught a lie, and believe it, then sure our understanding is conditioned to understand the world differently than what it really is. Deception of the highest degree, a lie so big, you couldn't comprehend it. It matters to anyone who is reasonable, while others content with their own knowledge, which is to be ignorant. I take interest in this conspiracy myself, because it matters to me what i understand the truth to be, and so many exposing controversy of deceptions and lies surrounding NASA really doesn't comfort me and average Joe that cannot exactly go and check for myself. So i keep what works, and what doesn't work i discard, and whatever idea produces the most accurate results to what i want to achieve, the closer i am to the truth. I think for everyone else interested in this are curious for similar reasons. It's interesting stuff to see the variety of reasons people use to argue their points of view and how they define justifiable evidence.
If the earth was flat why are the moon and other planets spinning in circles?
Excellen post @Sheamus , you nailed it. The "Education" system is nothing more than forced indoctrination. Memorize & repeat.
And repetition is the most basic form of mind control.
Yes a valid question i like to ask as well... I'm a space fanatic myself, i enjoy the science fictions, but i do have a tendency to think of space as a fiction, because science fictions tend to try to portray a liberal utopia, which also is a fantasy in reality. Is it coincidence that the push for this reasoning and belief is what lead the world to what it is today? I mean consider they way they think and reason, and then do so with everyone who has a different view, how their views impact their reality and choices.
I'm not arguing for or against either flat earth or global earth. I just expressing my observations
@Sheamus I have no doubt whatsoever that it is a deliberate fraud. Perpetrated with intent to deceive. Because you don't teach your slaves how to make guns. And trust me when I say the big picture is a thousand times more unbelievable than flat earth itself.
Oh yeah, I've gone to dark places, the heart is deceptive, and desperately wicked; and i know it. I know how great the deception could be.
Well the earth is not totally in a perfect circle it round but not perfectly round. Round papato shaped. Moon does not spin... I wanted to say that it does not make sense for earth to be flat or even near by flat. If it was we would not have had seasons.
@Tjoppie That is not correct sorry. The Heliocentric model can not describe seasons or even length of day. It fails logically long before you even get to the experiments.
Quoting "Heaven and Earth by Gabrielle Henriet,
“The theory of the rotation of the earth may once and for all be definitely disposed of as impracticable by pointing out the following inadvertence. It is said that the rotation takes twenty-four hours and that its speed is uniform, in which case, necessarily, days and nights should have an identical duration of twelve hours each all the year round. The sun should invariably rise in the morning and set in the evening at the same hours, with the result that it would be the equinox every day from the 1st of January to the 31st of December. One should stop and reflect on this before saying that the earth has a movement of rotation. How does the system of gravitation account for the seasonal variations in the lengths of days and nights if the earth rotates at a uniform speed in twenty-four hours!?”
The mark of an intellectual man, is a man that entertain an idea without accepting it. So run with it, entertain the idea, and then see how that impacts your perception and perspective, then you know what to look for as evidence. When you find that evidence exactly as your predicted it... Would that not be the truth? Of course, it could totally be a joke, but at least you would know. See what it offers, and how it impacts your life and understanding of the world around you... We all kind of feel helpless now, struggling to solve problems. Clearly our understanding is not what it could be, because then we would have solutions to problems.
Hope i don't come off too crazy, but if you are here reading any of this, you obviously curious.
Gleasons map from 1892
I've read all of this, and I don't see a point in arguing it out, because it seems the arguments are ideologically driven, and quite honestly it looks like it is all based on fundamental misunderstandings of the concepts presented. That would lead to circular arguments that I don't believe progress could be made on. I will say I've presented astrophysics research to NASA. I am of fan of history and both models go back to ancient Greece, and proof being found all the way back then. I am also a pilot, and I can perceive the curvature of the planet with my own eyes at a surprisingly low altitude.
That said, there certainly is plenty of junk science out there. There is plenty of reasons to hate the education system/gov etc, without even having to go into anything they deny. They are open about so much nonsense they do, I see no need for even delving into conspiracy issues. I fear you have chosen the wrong hill to die on here.
Correct, it's ideological. Ideology plays a big role in our perception, and so ideology is essentially perception. On one side of the argument, there are people who have ideas, on the other, the perception that ideas have people. One side sees open minded people as conspiracy theories, the other sees the narrow minded as the conspiracy theorists. Even coming down to subjects as controversial as slavery, one side cannot fathom a reason to justify, the other perfectly capable of justifying it reasonably. It's flippen interesting to see how differently people perceive and reason. But yes it comes down to ideology, even those that reject ideology, are subject to ideology.
https://youtu.be/nUFMZkxochs?t=5375 (EXPERIMENT #1 Showing no apparent drift whatsoever)
(EXPERIMENT #2 - 6 hours - still no movement) https://youtu.be/IGPSjgv9t3E
""Idealogically driven" my arse.
Well it is ideologically driven... What else drives our ability to reason?
Definition of ideology. plural ideologies. 1 : visionary theorizing. 2 a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture. b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture.
@Sheamus Our ability to reason is driven by our natural innate curiosity about the world. You know how curious little kids are? That ability is supposed to always be with us throughout our lives. We are supposed to try and fathom the unfathomable mysteries of life. And that is why the Educational Indoctrination system exists - to cure the curiosity and turn us into a tax-paying wage-slaves who thinks they know everything about the world and there is nothing more to learn. - If you're not curious about the world, you might as well be dead. EDIT Fixed typos
Yes agreed, i always like to think curiousity is the voice of reason. I'm open minded, and i see your perspective as well. But curiousity still doesn't take away from the fact that our understanding is based on our perception. Since we don't create it, only observe it, we therefore don't create ideas, but instead recognize ideas and willingly serve the good ideas and reject the bad, or ignorantly get enslaved by other ideas, deceptively believing it to be our own for profit most likely... (Those people that let their emotions dictate their reason, and exploit others feelings.)
Ideology is at the core of our ability to reason, curiousity itself is not reason, but it is the means that lead to intellectual stimulation, where as feelings the means of emotional stimulation. Some reason with with their feelings, others feelings dictate their reason. There's only one truth, but many lies.
@Sheamus Can I also just say that in order to be able to reason logically as well as think critically, one needs a baseline of truth - one major proven thing - and from there, all knowledge about the rest of the system can be deduced logically. And that is where the flat earth comes in. The most easily proven conspiracy of all time. Also the biggest.
@Sheamus "Ideology is at the core of our ability to reason". I have to disagree with that one. Ideology is a modern man-made contraption. My reasoning is driven by a thirst for truth. Has been for the last 20 years or so.
Yes, and that truth is an idea none the less. The idea of truth is a concept. And you have a collection or body of concepts that make up your understanding and help you understand how the pieces fit together, and how to interact with the world to get the desired results. This is what ideology is.
How do you define ideology then, if not a set of ideas and principles that influence our understanding and interpretation of our environment and solve our problems?
Correct, however, the nature of reality as we experience it every day is what I'm on about. All my Flat Earth arguments are based in hard science - not ideology. It is all about the Zetetic method of investigation, which is not to try and prove a point, but to examine and test and see what something actually is and how it works. And when you find out what the earth is and how it works, you will start getting an understanding of what a human being actually is. And when we find out exactly & scientifically what this place is and what we are... maybe then we can define our true purpose here on this earth.
I'm not disagreeing with you on that, but your method of science is an idea in itself, it's an idea of how to determine the truth. People can't agree on what the truth is because we can't agree on a means to determine truth, one prefers a method they themselves can apply and witness it for themselves, another prefers the idea that an authority they trust in tells them what the truth is. And this can be broken down into many layers. So as far as ideology goes, its real, it exists, that's what spiritual nature and realm is, that's what drives our cognitive experiences. Ideas really impact experiences and what we call reality.
You can't go and say you have no idea what truth or reality is can you? Let me repeat that. "You can't go and say you have NO IDEA what truth or reality is". You must have an idea, idea is the key-word in ideology.
Does a river need to have the idea of flowing down-hill before actually flowing down-hill? Or does it just do what's in its nature. Things can happen without an idea.
Lol nature is governed by principles, so is the water that flows with the idea of gravity... =)
Ah yes. Nature IS governed by a set of principles. And when you can accurately measure those principles, you may start getting a glimpse into the very nature of man. And isn't that what "Faith" is? An absolute understanding of the nature of your reality and your place in it? See how faith is the same as scientific proof? 😉
I'm out, night all.
Yes, and faith is in the principles, the idea you've been observing and know to be true. Understanding the idea to the degree that you can explain it confidently. But that's leading into another conversation, let's first find common ground on what ideology is.
Ek het die gesprek nou geniet...
May I ask why it matters?
Jy is welkom in saam in te spring, kop eerste.
Because sharing a common understanding is how we can continue to reason together, and ensure we don't have to wrestle with prejudices trying to distract us. If we can't bother to reason and find common ground, how do we expect to share the same space together?
Idealogy in my view is just one more form of social engineering / manipulation. We need to just be, in stead of trying to be something. Because at some point someone is going to write about about what he thinks we should be. Then for the rest of time everyone else who reads that book is going to try and be like that in-stead of living for themselves. Society as we know it is a gigantic fraud.
What is your opinion on the gold reserve? Do you think governments sold the gold to the aliens?
Okay so you decided to change the definition of ideology then... Based on what? Reason, or feelings... The heart is deceptive and desperately wicked; but who can know it?
Humility is a virtue, pride is a sin. I would suggest you give that some thought. I'm a little tired now, thanks for this, I'll definitely be back for more DeeJay, i enjoy your company.
@Daniebees interesting theory, I heard about it. Care to elaborate...
Same here talk tomorrow. Cheers
@Shiver ooh Thanks man, i actually like ambient music, . Very captivating playing subtly in the background. Can understand the purpose of the imagery too, captivating music with a captivating scene, conveniently a bad ass looking space pilot in an awesome looking roadster. Can entertain myself into that scenery with simple justifications, allows me to immerse myself into that idea.
How do you even like something on this thread? That made me chuckle, haven't seen that one yet. 😂
I just saw that one in the memes group, thanks for providing the chuckles 😆
So I've been curious for a while, where did the DA get all their funding from? Hmmmm I wonder where they bought those desalination plants from <:GWseremePeepoThink:402867838580293643>
@Sheamus Morning. You were right last night, I was drifting a bit with regards to the ideology topic, I will try to explain why I drifted.
I believe the human experience in this Realm / Enclosed System / Bio-Dome was never intended to be experienced by large collectives of people who share the same ideology.
When two or more groups with opposing ideologies starts living too close to each other, or their ideology starts offending the other group's ideology, the only thing that their respective and opposing ideologies can create is division and conflict between the groups. Divide and Conquer 101.
We all may believe in roughly the same things, but our path to the conclusions and the knowledge can never ever be one hundred percent similar as we are all living and learning life though our own personalised life experiences. Which may very well be the entire point of being here in the first place.
In summary then to my mind the human experience is absolutely unique to the individual, and life was never meant to be lived as a large collective. Therefore, I can't really get a handle on why ideology is important.
I hope that makes sense.
I would like to suggest a topic for tonight, yes, I have some info on the subject matter people may or may not find interesting.
Open question for <#469490581899575297>... for discussion after graft today.
What is Spirituality?
@Deejay van die Plat Aarde and a good morning to you too. Will see you around this evening, and participate with you on the topic. Looking forward to it 🙂
Talmudic Judaism is objectively a religion of pedophiles. Ever wonder why Israel is haven for child rapists?
Also its vehemently anti white
the specifics of the evil aren't super important to me, to me the important thing is that there is a valid religion that has been captured by evil
like christianity with the catholic church I think
where they follow a bunch of 'add on' books
they aren't anti white, they are anti spiritual, any group that beleives in a personal god is a target
ja man , I know the propaganda
but if you think it is specifically against white people you are playing directly into their divide and conquer
The issue is that they genuinely believe we are human cattle
all of us
Fair enough, I never said that they were exclusively anti white
do you believe that there is truth in the scriptures?
* Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
old testament and recorded sermons and dreams (ie some gospel, from the new testament and torah )
I think that most of it has been compromised, added to and the messages distorted (pretty well accepted that there were edits to the end of matthew)
but a lot of it has come to us unchanged
* “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
* “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
* “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
* What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
* “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)
* “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)
* “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)
talmud = satanism
Was looking for a specific one but can't find ir for now.
= catholic church
reformation was a rection against them
I've heard The Torah, Old Testament and Quran are pretty similar.
think of it as the first version of the communists(satanists/centralised corrupt church) versus the individualists(freedom of congregation)
Alll organised religion is oppressive if they deem you a heretic but Talmudic Judaism is an extra special fucked up religion because it is unreformable. You know 'muh 6 gorrilion'
I think that religion had to be captured first by evil groups
because it is so dangerous
that's why all organised centralised religions are compromised and authoritarian and they always include 'extra' texts (talmud, catholic texts and the priest laws in islam)
but the truth couldn't be completely erased, and that's why the text still has value and is dangerous to (((them))) that's why communism was born to finally kill religion
Should be cool
I needs some convincing on the flat earth stuff 😐
Not talking FE tonight. We are going to try to define the concept of Spirituality. EDIT Fixed typo
ah that's cool, will definitely try be there
I arrived at religious insights after far too many 🍄
I arrived at mine recently too. Because fasting..
went from agnostic to a Gnostic
fasting will definitely take you there (recommended by yeshua ben hur!)
But I did Ayahuasca ceremonies in Peru with real Shamans. Trippy shit.
ja I have a friend that spent 10 years in Peru and became a shame
I've graduated christian sunday school , been an atheist, agnostic, scientologist... beproef alles en behou die goeie?
I matriculated from a christian school, was confirmed but not religious, always seeked to find the common ground between religions and factor out the truth. after direct spiritual experience it seems obvious to me that all of these schools are describing the same process, and equally obvious when there is a program of distraction
That's the actual place and shamans.
I was firced into church and sunday school like everyone else I suppose. I hated it. That's where I started searching.
the chakra system is a direct description of the endochrine system, sexual energy is the only form of magic (black magic being the external use of sex and white magic relying on celibacy as all major religions indicate)
tantra is the yogic wasy of talking about that but in western civilization people also discovered it in the 19th century in the US there was a movement called male continence which is similar to tantra
I had a full-on kundalini awakening in May.
Unexpected. Didn't know WTF was going on.
celibacy being the retention of semen and transmuting the orgasm through the endochrine system. the energy ususally experienced in orgasm is a kind of short circuiting of the spiritual energy at the base chakra, if that energy is cultivated and conserved then it moves up through your chakras one by one, that's what you experienced
I mean, it's right there in the bible jesus 40 days in the desert
You know your shit. Nice.
celibacy in it's true sense is not no penetration (krishna had a harem) but control over orgasm
jesus had mary magdelene
Don't forget about the dopamine. The fasting makes you feel really good.. you get a bit more dopamine every day. It's awesome.
Can confirm lol
Not just that, but realisation of self, ie realising you are holy my favourite song, a bit cheesy but resonates on so many levels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5WxxaqVdXM
"in this garden of god I see the spiritual world, but its hard to see through this illusory movie, I strive to be conscious of my own immortality, ineffable vision beyond the astral sphere, so ascend within innerspace deathless, samadhi, aware im not the body but the physical the astral the causal the spirit soul be infinity underneath the three bodies made of light drawn energy self manifested pure consciousness will laugh at death, throw off a bag of flesh"
Remember this from the first Matrix movie?
that was the ship right?
Whenever the impure spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, "You are the Son of God."
as you posted that these lyrics played on my side(I don't believe in coincidence anymore) ", the etheric core resonates universal law, from the breath of the creator made from two arms of god, all glories to Bhagavan, my pulse Paramatma, killin demonic contact, last lap around the zodiac, "
The Matrix is a metaphor for life.
the matrix (first one) is amazing
I definitely don't believe in coincidences either.
Let me post something that's even more strange than Flat Earth. Shall I?
usually show itself to me in the most stupid ways, I'm researching music gear overseas and BAM someone just listed the item in gumtree cape town
it's happened too many times, with too many specific things
It's all about frequency. No pun intended.
Jeez you guys type fast, trying to keep up lol
lol, chatrooms since the 90s
I'm on the phone, power out this side 😑
What?!?! A power failure in SA? No way!
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