which markets

its not a location

geez

where do you think they gio

fucking Asda?

Yes so tell me a scenario where its limiting you from reaching those markets

just like free speech then

what about in degrees

this assuming in a case where there's regulations and protections in place

because an unsafe product would be deemed unsafe for failing particular standards

enforced by external agencies

same in the case for someones speech too

Hmm interesting isn't it, for free markets to exist there needs to be a regulations in place, but whats the point when corporations can dictate to have it benefit them.

the principle doesn't matter because its operated upon by people who're prone to like you say human error and corruption

Yes the same regulations that corporations benefit from for their advantage right? Cos we do have anti trust laws

and yet they exist

depends on how you define that regulation

because that will define the freedom of the market

so regulation or not, corruption will exist and find a way.

so if their products is good and they become larger, they will hinder the principles of free markets by killing competition

and if they don't or wont want to

no im saying they don't want any other products and are happy with it despite it killing competition

so your basis for the principle here is that as long as it's tested by other people it clears the definiton for the free market principle

why do you think people would make informed choices?

some people just buy products because of the packaging

you're trying to generalise a subjective opinion into the market principle

as a means for testing it's value

the principle there is that since it's the people making that choice it should follow that

people delegate with their votes, now the mechanism and the operation is a different issue

if the government says we will not restrict your speech what do you think that means

do you want the right to say whatever you want?

The goverment provides the protection and the legislation for you to be able to do that

in theory at least

its not going to protect you when your speech gets you punched but it gives you the means to use your rights as is legislated to get the compensation in whatever form is provided

Good

Yeah that'd be pretty fucking annoying

but thank god for governments

There isn't

It wouldn't

What happened there

was that after Allende?

they did the same thing to chile what they did to Haitians

export oriented economy for the freedom boys

yeah the government decides what markets can or not operate

what percentage of home owners?

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like Israel in a way

existing under the sole guardianship of the US

the US would give no fucks about it if it wasn't for their military

how does one protect capital ?

is there some provider?

some *state?*

interesting

its okay to have independent opinion

like i said im happy with your independent opinion

cool

does capitalism not need state intervention? Like when it's time to regulate free markets? protect capital and it's interest? enforce standards?

or we can operate within the framework of the state and exclude it cos mUh cApITaLiSm

what happens when company A reneges on a contract with company B causing losses?

what if my protection is bigger than yours and i wipe you out

free market fuck yeah right?

how

if i have the resource the means and the will i can do so

how so

so now anyone taking advantage of your dumb premise is now the government?

okay how about this, my company competes directly with you and makes products services cheaper than what you can afford.

is that force?

or is that the principle of the free markets

nope just made my products cheaper which say you can't do so

cool so i have now wiped you out of competition and taken over your share

thats completely fine right

and by that i mean your market share

your customers come to me cos its cheaper

im talking about the free market principles here

theres no state intervention

it's just the markets working with me to overthrow you

cool so if i keep becoming larger and larger it should be fine

as long as i don't use force

to thwart my competition

and become a monopoly

its still fine

as long as i dont use force

cool

if theres no regulation and no force, monopolies can exist and it'd be fine

capitalist mode of production doesn't exist in a socialist society

there's no surplus

socialist societies ideally form after the success of capitalist societies, with the capital and technological advancement achieved it moves towards a more co-operative societies

thats just the theory

markets exist regardless

have been for thousands of years

im not complaining. Im just saying free markets don't exist.

Markets are more freerer in Europe than in the states

take broadband for instance

https://chomsky.info/20150205-2/

that doesnt happen in capitalism?

Yes

what is it then

interesting

how does a weird marriage of corporatism and socialism work