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2020-03-06 12:44:50 UTC  

capitalism

/ˈkapɪt(ə)lɪz(ə)m/

noun

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

"an era of free-market capitalism"

2020-03-06 12:46:14 UTC  

does capitalism not need state intervention? Like when it's time to regulate free markets? protect capital and it's interest? enforce standards?

2020-03-06 12:46:47 UTC  

or we can operate within the framework of the state and exclude it cos mUh cApITaLiSm

2020-03-06 12:47:53 UTC  

I’m not sure you understand what capitalism is if you believe that state intervention is a product of it

2020-03-06 12:48:44 UTC  

what happens when company A reneges on a contract with company B causing losses?

2020-03-06 12:49:09 UTC  

The more the state intervenes in the market (i.e. regulates it) the less free the market becomes, hence reducing capitalism, and increasing socialism.

2020-03-06 12:49:09 UTC  

Bad for them

2020-03-06 12:49:18 UTC  

Exactly

2020-03-06 12:50:14 UTC  

In a purely capitalist setting every individual or group of individuals would have complete self-ownership of everything they possess, including the right to protect their property.

2020-03-06 12:50:36 UTC  

what if my protection is bigger than yours and i wipe you out

2020-03-06 12:50:45 UTC  

free market fuck yeah right?

2020-03-06 12:50:47 UTC  

That'd be you acting like a government.

2020-03-06 12:50:54 UTC  

how

2020-03-06 12:51:01 UTC  

By intervening in the free market.

2020-03-06 12:51:04 UTC  

if i have the resource the means and the will i can do so

2020-03-06 12:51:08 UTC  

how so

2020-03-06 12:51:26 UTC  

Because the only way to intervene in the free market outside of using negotiation is force.

2020-03-06 12:51:33 UTC  

so now anyone taking advantage of your dumb premise is now the government?

2020-03-06 12:51:40 UTC  

If you use force, you end freedom. Thus becoming the de facto governmental body.

2020-03-06 12:52:08 UTC  

okay how about this, my company competes directly with you and makes products services cheaper than what you can afford.

2020-03-06 12:52:11 UTC  

is that force?

2020-03-06 12:52:27 UTC  

or is that the principle of the free markets

2020-03-06 12:52:38 UTC  

Did the company use violent means, or threats, or anything like that?

2020-03-06 12:53:16 UTC  

nope just made my products cheaper which say you can't do so

2020-03-06 12:53:24 UTC  

Then there's no use of force

2020-03-06 12:53:38 UTC  

cool so i have now wiped you out of competition and taken over your share

2020-03-06 12:53:41 UTC  

thats completely fine right

2020-03-06 12:53:53 UTC  

and by that i mean your market share

2020-03-06 12:53:59 UTC  

your customers come to me cos its cheaper

2020-03-06 12:54:02 UTC  

I didn't say anything about morals, I'm talking about the mechanics. It is capitalism if it's done that way.

2020-03-06 12:54:16 UTC  

im talking about the free market principles here

2020-03-06 12:54:34 UTC  

theres no state intervention

2020-03-06 12:54:43 UTC  

it's just the markets working with me to overthrow you

2020-03-06 12:54:43 UTC  

they shall

2020-03-06 12:54:46 UTC  

NOT BE INFRINGED

2020-03-06 12:54:58 UTC  

🟨

2020-03-06 12:55:12 UTC  

The result of another company going out of business if my own company succeeds is only a consequence, it's not a cause-and-effect chain. I do not make other companies go out of business by being successful myself.

2020-03-06 12:55:21 UTC  

also nah I'm not that libertarian laissez-faire really

2020-03-06 12:55:29 UTC  

just thought saying that would be funny

2020-03-06 12:55:56 UTC  

Operating in the free market contains competition, there's always competition. So of course people go out of business all the time.

2020-03-06 12:56:21 UTC  

cool so if i keep becoming larger and larger it should be fine