Message from @faultfiction

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2020-03-06 12:37:25 UTC  

whatever you want to call it

2020-03-06 12:37:44 UTC  

Well, for one, if it contains the word "state", then I don't want to call it "capitalism"

2020-03-06 12:37:56 UTC  

authority is delegated to investors in firms who are still subordinate to state orders

2020-03-06 12:37:57 UTC  

how does one protect capital ?

2020-03-06 12:38:07 UTC  

is there some provider?

2020-03-06 12:38:15 UTC  

some *state?*

2020-03-06 12:38:17 UTC  

so you don't think the economic success of south korea was produced by capitalism 🤔

2020-03-06 12:38:38 UTC  

I just know that capitalism cannot be done by the state, literally

2020-03-06 12:38:48 UTC  

interesting

2020-03-06 12:38:51 UTC  

By definition it's impossible

2020-03-06 12:39:35 UTC  

Sorry to burst your uneducated butthurt bubble

2020-03-06 12:39:53 UTC  

its okay to have independent opinion

2020-03-06 12:40:01 UTC  

It's okay to have a wrong opinion like yours

2020-03-06 12:40:14 UTC  

like i said im happy with your independent opinion

2020-03-06 12:40:22 UTC  

That's why you dislike it so much yeah

2020-03-06 12:40:27 UTC  

Very happy

2020-03-06 12:40:33 UTC  

cool

2020-03-06 12:40:36 UTC  

awesome

2020-03-06 12:44:50 UTC  

capitalism

/ˈkapɪt(ə)lɪz(ə)m/

noun

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

"an era of free-market capitalism"

2020-03-06 12:46:14 UTC  

does capitalism not need state intervention? Like when it's time to regulate free markets? protect capital and it's interest? enforce standards?

2020-03-06 12:46:47 UTC  

or we can operate within the framework of the state and exclude it cos mUh cApITaLiSm

2020-03-06 12:47:53 UTC  

I’m not sure you understand what capitalism is if you believe that state intervention is a product of it

2020-03-06 12:48:44 UTC  

what happens when company A reneges on a contract with company B causing losses?

2020-03-06 12:49:09 UTC  

The more the state intervenes in the market (i.e. regulates it) the less free the market becomes, hence reducing capitalism, and increasing socialism.

2020-03-06 12:49:09 UTC  

Bad for them

2020-03-06 12:49:18 UTC  

Exactly

2020-03-06 12:50:14 UTC  

In a purely capitalist setting every individual or group of individuals would have complete self-ownership of everything they possess, including the right to protect their property.

2020-03-06 12:50:36 UTC  

what if my protection is bigger than yours and i wipe you out

2020-03-06 12:50:45 UTC  

free market fuck yeah right?

2020-03-06 12:50:47 UTC  

That'd be you acting like a government.

2020-03-06 12:50:54 UTC  

how

2020-03-06 12:51:01 UTC  

By intervening in the free market.

2020-03-06 12:51:04 UTC  

if i have the resource the means and the will i can do so

2020-03-06 12:51:08 UTC  

how so

2020-03-06 12:51:26 UTC  

Because the only way to intervene in the free market outside of using negotiation is force.

2020-03-06 12:51:33 UTC  

so now anyone taking advantage of your dumb premise is now the government?

2020-03-06 12:51:40 UTC  

If you use force, you end freedom. Thus becoming the de facto governmental body.

2020-03-06 12:52:08 UTC  

okay how about this, my company competes directly with you and makes products services cheaper than what you can afford.

2020-03-06 12:52:11 UTC  

is that force?

2020-03-06 12:52:27 UTC  

or is that the principle of the free markets

2020-03-06 12:52:38 UTC  

Did the company use violent means, or threats, or anything like that?