Settler's Lament
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I mean I hate the BQ but, there is nothing inherently wrong with regionalist parties @RAM II
We don't elect a Prime Minister, we vote for 338 different MPs
And the task of those MPs is representing their constituents, not governing the whole country.
@Wercal3 Yeah, that's what the polls say at least. I really don't see much difference between the Liberals and Conservatives on the important issues. I hope its a minority government on either side and the PPC gets at least 5% and the vote and they retain Maxime Bernier's seat.
Thanks, lol I can speak louder if that's what you mean.
@Some Fucking Leaf well it will be like that for the time being, I don't believe any nation can survive constantly at war with itself. I don't think I'll have much of a stake in what comes after either though.
@Thejross Wow, that sounds pretty based for what the 90s? Did you live in a more conservative area?
We did learn plenty of positive things about Canada in a sense, just none of it was history. All of the positive things, and I mean all as in like 99%, were firmly in the progressive mold and posed in opposition to Americans 'free healthcare and peacekeeping.' The history was all negative, residential schools, Chinese immigrants, persons case and a million different things about racism.
Plus, I was very often the only white kid in a class where we learnt all about all the awful things white people did.
Overtly political division was actually a bit less then America though, I grew up hearing about how G.W. Bush was Hitler and all the awful stuff white people have done but, I never really heard much fear mongering about the Conservative Party in particular.
@Hylia, there is nothing inherently wrong with not voting. Checking out of the electoral system is a valid strategy in some circumstances. A few months ago I was intending on not voting at all (or maybe spoiling my ballot). But, as it stands now I will be voting for the PPC because they are the only party that cares at all about free speech and immigration.
@RAM II Meh I think that is mythology, I doubt politics was every really particularly 'calm.' At least not democratic politics, that just isn't in the intensives. In the 1800s we had revolutions and civil wars, the first first half of the 1900s we had world wars, in the second half we had assassinations and domestic terrorism. By 'we' I of course mean the west as a whole, not specifically Canada. But, even Canadian politics weren't incredibly civil the smears between J.A. Macdonald and Wilfrid Laurier were particularly notoriously bad.
@UnScottable That's Rhodesia to you, sir.
It's not my country, that's the proper name for the country you were referring to. Either way, things haven't been going very well for the past few decades there.
The article isn't even clear what he means by that. Like, if he is claiming to have some insider information or if he is just saying he thinks that will happen.
@9th Error The basic facts in that video are all pretty much true, there are a bunch of small things I could nit-pick but, that's true for basically any pop history so that's a bit besides the point. The big narratives are more important. The insinuation that the social problems that natives have is all thanks to residential schools (or whity more broadly) is ridiculous. Sex segregation was near universal in boarding schools in this period so you could argue its bad but, it was hardly a thing specific to natives.
@9th Error I haven't personally looked into the stuff to do with abuse enough to really get a handle on it and that type of stuff is very difficult to quantify.
@9th Error The death rate is a bit more interesting since its much easier to quantify (since you know, you have a body). We do see that they had significantly higher death rates then the Canadian average for a similar age range (stats from that period are poor though, and note similar age range, not identical). The image bellow is from the Truth and Reconciliation Report and I do notice one interesting thing. The death rate for the first few decades of the schools for natives was similar and sometimes lower then the ruff Canadian average. What's interesting about that is that period was when the people running the schools were most explicitly racist and wanted to destroy native culture, yet its the period with the lowest average death rate.
Also, I can't remember if it said it in that video but, most natives did not attend residential schools during this period, it was about 30% iirc. Residential schools were never mandatory, schooling was mandatory and many natives didn't have other schools if they lived on reserves.
He thinks the government is trying to cover up the residential school system? @9th Error
The government right now?
He just sounds like a delusional conspiracy nut progressive imo. I've learnt about the residential school system since I was in elementary school, granted that is a recent phenomenon (I'm in my early-to-mid twenties, someone 5-10 years older then me probably would have never heard about it in school). But, the government, and the mainstream media promotes native grievance politics constantly. That video was from the state funding broadcaster, hardly a coverup.
And Indian reserves are autonomous, self-governing entities. Building their local infrastructure isn't the government's job. The government gives them money and they can do what they want with it, some of them are extremely corrupt and because of the autonomy they have the federal government can't do very much about it.
Yeah they get over half their money from the government, CBC, Canadian version of the BBC.
And I'm assuming by 'murdering natives' you are referring to the 'missing and murdered indigenous women.' If so that is the most blatantly false of all of those, at least in the way it is portrayed. Granted it was about four years ago I read about this topic but, assuming the info is the same people sized on it because of the supposedly high number murdered and totally unaccounted for native women. And they portrayed this also some sort of racist conspiracy against natives by whity. It is of course true that native women are disproportionately murdered compared to the Canadian average but, that's just a result of the fact that natives have a higher then average crime rate in Canada, and of course most of the people killing those women are native men.
And the 'missing' part is supposed to imply that the racist Canadian police just don't care about dead native women so they don't even properly investigate the case. But, the solve rate was identical for both murders of native women and Canadian women in general, 90%.
Okay, no problem. I have a (very small) youtube channel if you are interested in checking it out, I make stuff about history and politics, only one video so far but, I'm not planing on sticking with only Canadian stuff. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJMaXRtyWZzdr34aPLsQ2bA
@SilentSkies Destroying currency is generally illegal.
Yeah I am too, I still have some problems with them but, they are the only part that are at all trying to break up the political consensus in Canada.
Before Bernier came out with his new immigration platform I was considering not voting at all.
The left are pretending that the Provinces have a right to prevent national infrastructure projects. The PPC (and CPC) support federalism more on every other issue and the left support it less on every other issue but, the MSM is concern trolling.
The Provinces to not have a right to veto national infrastructure projects, the constitution is clear on that.
PPC is the only chance we have currently to stick it to the establishment. I still have a lot of issues with them but, the more votes they get the harder it will be to ignore our concens. @John F Guilliman
Don't think anyone really had a particularly good performance, I think Singh came across as the most charismatic. May probably said the truest thing, we are going to have another Liberal government in two weeks.
Bernier seemed like he only talked about immigration in the first 30 minutes, not sure if that will turn out to be good or bad. I'd be very happy if he could get 5% in this election.
Polls are pretty clear
And Scheer has the charisma of a sponge
It would require a serge in CPC support for Scheer to win even a minority, this debate was the last chance for that to happen
Conservative Party of Canada
@Fuck China and Commies (No Homo) Please vote for the PPC, they are the only way to stick it to the political establishment.
Scheer and the Conservative Party is pro abortion, pro gay marriage and pro mass immigration
I wish he wasn't but he is
@PPMD KreyGasm Please do not vote for the CPC, they are awful. A Scheer victory would be more destructive to the right then the left ever could be.
@Goddess Tyche The only part of Canada that wants has ever seriously had a secessionist movement is Quebec and most Quebecers don't want to leave Canada. We have already had two referendums on that topic and both times Quebec voted against leaving, its just a loud minority. And it was always a pipe dream anyways because Quebec relies on the rest of Canada.
Preferential voting would be really bad imo @kennith. It would basically just mean a permanent Liberal Party dictatorship, because all CPC voters would put them Libs over NDP and all NDP voters would be Libs over Cons.
And that system can actually make it harder for small parties
Like in France the National Front gets almost no seats even with 20-30% of the public supporting them
because most people dislike them
Please don't vote for the Conservative Party, they aren't going to make things any better.
Don't vote at all
its better then voting for a bad candidate
I actually just made a video on this topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYBCqFkgOiM
but I gtg rn
If you have to vote for one of the big 4 it would be better to vote Liberal imo. They are awful obviously but, we could have a better Conservative Party in the future but, they NEED to lose this election for them to change.
If Andrew Scheer wins this election that will send the message 'what you are doing now is fine.'
He if loses the CPC will be forced to change and we will have to try to force that into the right direction.
A CPC Majority would be BY FAR the worst (realistic) outcome of this election.
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@kennith A NDP minority isn't possible, they have never had a single poll that puts them in that territory. This election will result in either a Liberal or Conservative government or maybe a Liberal NDP collation. I'm not saying we should never vote again, I'm saying we cannot vote for the Conservatives right now, in this election. If you have to vote for one of the big four vote Liberal or NDP since at least that will damage the Conservative Party and possibly force them to kick Scheer to the curb.
You shouldn't vote Liberal or NDP you shouldn't vote at all if you aren't voting PPC. But, if you absolutely must vote you should vote Liberal or NDP because it would be far more damaging to vote for the Conservatives
Yes, which is why you shouldn't vote for them
Because the Conservatives aren't conservative
and they will not change unless they lose elections
The Liberal Party and the NDP are never going to be conservative parties
the conservative party is supposed to be a conservative party
they wont?
Yes, but, there is no way that change will result in them becoming conservative
They have been anti-free speech parties for decades, their problems aren't recent developments
The charter of rights and freedoms was specifically made the allow the government to clamp down on free speech
The NDP are literally against the right to protest for things they don't like and they have been since at least 1995.
Losing to the left-wing 'conservatives' isn't going to make them more sane
I can't imagine them becoming sane parties in any realistic amount of time.
The Conservatives are a radically globalist party
I don't want any of them back in, but, having the CPC in power will allow conservatives, and anyone else opposed to the left, believe that there is a real opposition to the left and globalism, there is not currently.
I know boomerservatives, they literally think Canada was doing great until Trudeau got in power four years ago.
We still had immigration rates far higher then almost every other western country when Harper was in charge
No, I'm saying don't vote
I'm not telling anyone to vote Liberal, I am just saying it would be less damaging to vote for the Liberals then to vote for the Conservatives but you shouldn't vote for either
No it is not, that is just wrong. There is more at stake in an election then the specific policy outcomes.
If the conservatives win they will not change
They are virtually identical to the Liberals on every important issue, yes they are probably 1% better then the Liberals, that doesn't matter because as long as we have a party consensus like this this country is fucked.
I did litterally all that and they are far worse then when I was first a Conservative member
I was the number one volunteer for my local Conservative candidate.
They will not change if they win this election. The vast majority of their base wants less immigration and they want more
They party needs to be seriously damaged
I am voting for the PPC
I'm saying if you can't vote for any of them you shouldn't vote at all.
and yes 'nothing' is MUCH better then saying you are okay with the Conservative Party as it exists today
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