Message from @Settler's Lament
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You shouldn't vote Liberal or NDP you shouldn't vote at all if you aren't voting PPC. But, if you absolutely must vote you should vote Liberal or NDP because it would be far more damaging to vote for the Conservatives
At the same time being beneficial to the Liberals or NDP, though.
Yes, which is why you shouldn't vote for them
How would it be more damaging to vote Conservative if the others are worse?
Because the Conservatives aren't conservative
and they will not change unless they lose elections
The same logic can be applied to the other parties.
The Liberal Party and the NDP are never going to be conservative parties
the conservative party is supposed to be a conservative party
Yes, but why would the Liberals or NDP change if they win?
they wont?
If they lose, they have more incentive to change.
Yes, but, there is no way that change will result in them becoming conservative
They don't need to become conservative, they can become as they were before they became leftist extremists.
They have been anti-free speech parties for decades, their problems aren't recent developments
The charter of rights and freedoms was specifically made the allow the government to clamp down on free speech
The NDP are literally against the right to protest for things they don't like and they have been since at least 1995.
But, that's not what they were for originally. Neither were the Liberals.
If they can change one way, they can change back.
Them winning elections will not help that.
Not in the short term.
I can't imagine them becoming sane parties in any realistic amount of time.
So, why would you ever want them back in power?
Even if the Conservatives aren't very conservative, the party itself represents Conservatism, due to its history, for those who aren't as aware of the political climate, so those who are looking for a conservative party will vote Conservative as they are the most familiar and most likely to win.
If the party then shows it is not as conservative as they are supposed to be, that opens the way for PPC to fill in the gap.
The last thing we need is another globalist party running the country into the ground.
And no swifter will it be if Lib/NDP/Green get in.
The Conservatives are a radically globalist party
I don't want any of them back in, but, having the CPC in power will allow conservatives, and anyone else opposed to the left, believe that there is a real opposition to the left and globalism, there is not currently.
I know boomerservatives, they literally think Canada was doing great until Trudeau got in power four years ago.
We still had immigration rates far higher then almost every other western country when Harper was in charge
Maybe we did, but the Cons are still the better alternative to the Liberals.
But, you're saying to vote Liberal, anyway.
No, I'm saying don't vote
I'm not telling anyone to vote Liberal, I am just saying it would be less damaging to vote for the Liberals then to vote for the Conservatives but you shouldn't vote for either
not voting is the same as saying you support what ever outcome happens.
No it is not, that is just wrong. There is more at stake in an election then the specific policy outcomes.
If the conservatives win they will not change
They are virtually identical to the Liberals on every important issue, yes they are probably 1% better then the Liberals, that doesn't matter because as long as we have a party consensus like this this country is fucked.
because we lack the ability to just vote "no competence" in all parties, what ever out come happens those who do not vote a presumably fine with it. as almost half of all eligible voters never turn out anyways.