It’s okay to run the **incredibly** low risk of harming someone if it means you prevent them from contracting the flu, mumps, measles, rubella, etc.

That is my position

Sort of like Russian roulette except there’s 100,000,000 slots and only one of those is filled with a nerf bullet

Sure, but we don’t usually give vaccines to those people

Because I’m a doctor

You don’t give vaccines to people with bad immune systems

It’s called nuance

Ik you don’t like that i wont answer your questions with a yes or no, but reality is usually shades of gray, not black and white

Vaccines are usually made up of a weakened or dead form of the virus. Our body then creates antibodies to fight off the disease. Even people with strong immune systems are worse off than people with antibodies for a disease

People with a bad immune system have a greater chance of not forming antibodies to the weakened form of the disease

No..?

Yes, of course. But they have a **significantly** better chance of survival with a vaccination

What..?

You need antibodies to fight these diseases. When you have these antibodies your body can easily fight off the disease

That’s nonsense

If you get two groups of 1,000 people. One group has been vaccinated, the other has not. And you expose all of them to the flu virus, the group that has been vaccinated will survive much more than those not vaccinated

How is it a strawman

We’re discussing survival rates

Those who are vaccinated have a much greater chance of survival than those who havent

What...?

Why wouldn’t we talk about rates

There’s a reason why we don’t have 40,000 deaths per 100,000 people due to influenza

It’s because of vaccines

No. We have immune systems to help us

Vaccines strengthen our immune system

Idk why you’re trying to simplify it

You stand a better chance of survival with a vaccination than without one

Based

Not vaccinating your kids when you’re able to is child abuse

Allowing your child to contract an easily preventable disease is abuse

https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

Even if it did cause autism, you’re better off being vaccinated

“There are lies, darn lies, a d statistics “

No it’s not. It’s what reasonable people say

1 in 110 kids get autism

Supposedly because of vaccines

Influenza mortality in in the 30s was 40%

Im not a mathematician or anything, but 1/110 is less than 40%

A major cause for rises in autism diagnoses is the updating of the DSM and awareness going up

It absolutely has to do with the subject matter

If this is a cost/reward exchange (which it isnt) then you have a better chance if dying by not being vaccinated then getting autism from vaccines

https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

What does moral relativism have anything to do with this

Yes. People should run the **incredibly** low chance of being harmed from a vaccine to avoid the very real chance of death that comes from not being vaccinated

You may have to cause someone pain to fix a broken bone, but in the end, you won’t die from that broken bone

You might break a few ribs while giving CPR, but it’s worth it to save the person’s life

@hootersforshooters so you think we shouldn’t give people CPR, right?

Cause it might break a few ribs and cause them pain

I am

It’s not a strawman

You’re saying that it’s unacceptable to potentially harm someone in order to save their life

^

Analogies aren’t strawmen

Analogies are useful to see logical consistency

How is the CPR analogy not analogous

Tell me how the CPR example is not analgous

Answer the question

How is the CPR example not analogous

Stop avoiding the question

We’re not talking about consent

We’re talking about how you have to potentially harm someone to save their lives

You’re saying that we shouldn’t do CPR because someone might break a rib

Your claim is that we shouldn’t potentially harm someone to save their life

If you’re being logically consistent then you should be against CPR

Alright im not gonna carry on this conversation. Clearly you have no intention of being intellectually honest

You continually place words in other people’s mouths and use strawmen

I went to school for 12 years to become a doctor. It is admittedly frustrating when a layman with zero understanding of biology and chemistry tries to debunk one of the most well-accepted principles of medicine

Appeals to authority isn’t a fallacy genius

Appeal to false authority is

Appealing to experts in the field of medicine Isnt a fallacy

And i tried explaining the biological basis of vaccinations but you refused to listen

Fr, stop pretending you know more than someone who does this stuff for a living

How many pharmacology classes have you taken @hootersforshooters

Im gonna guess zero

Ok boomer

I’ve taken plenty of philosophy classes and i can guarantee I’ve read more books on it than you

^

Boomer moment

“Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental questions[5][6][7] about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.”

Ok boomer

Have fun with the knowledge that all of academia laughs at you

Ok boomer

We made it clear that we were talking about different graphs

And i could answer all of them or explain how the questions are ridiculous

We dont do double blind placebos of vaccinations because we don’t purposely deprive children of vaccinations

Because we know they work

No not lies

We have ethical guidelines for studies

I was saying there’s a reason we are unable to ingest sodium or inhale chlorine gas (we’ll die) but we’re fine if we eat sodium chloride (salt)

Biological functions are dependent on the shapes and sizes of molecules. I would find it difficult to believe that the body reacts the same way to mercury and mercury surrounded by 2 carbons and 6 hydrogens

Im sure some of it does, but i dont think there’s nearly enough to cause damage

You would need to ingest mercury daily for years to cause damage

It does get filtered out through the urine

In the sense that it reaches your lover through different pathways, sure

The blood gets filtered through the kidneys

Renal artery

Where do you think it goes from the muscles?

It goes into the bloodstream

Why does it matter if it goes past the bloodbrain barrier

Again, mercury poisoning takes a long time. It doesn’t matter if it went around your circulatory system 100 times before being filtered out