Message from @Say

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2019-11-11 00:09:05 UTC  

@Say because there is no consent.

2019-11-11 00:09:23 UTC  

No you can be for both informed consent to reasonable people and then take away mistreated children and give them medical care when required as children can not give consent

2019-11-11 00:09:25 UTC  

We’re not talking about consent

2019-11-11 00:09:53 UTC  

We’re talking about how you have to potentially harm someone to save their lives

2019-11-11 00:10:03 UTC  

@Mattie please explain how one can force ANYONE to do ANYTHING?

2019-11-11 00:10:07 UTC  

You’re saying that we shouldn’t do CPR because someone might break a rib

2019-11-11 00:10:25 UTC  

@Say says you.

2019-11-11 00:10:36 UTC  

Jails

2019-11-11 00:10:50 UTC  

Are literally forcing people to stay their

2019-11-11 00:11:04 UTC  

Your claim is that we shouldn’t potentially harm someone to save their life

2019-11-11 00:11:19 UTC  

Parents are forced by law to send there a children to school

2019-11-11 00:11:22 UTC  

If you’re being logically consistent then you should be against CPR

2019-11-11 00:11:30 UTC  

And xrays

2019-11-11 00:11:47 UTC  

And operating on possibly malignant tumours

2019-11-11 00:11:52 UTC  

The person needing CPR has no capability of giving consent. Therefore you are imposing an involuntary hierarchy over them. They are no longer ethical actors, but you are their caretaker now. That is why you can do that.

2019-11-11 00:11:58 UTC  

And pretty much all preemptive medicine

2019-11-11 00:12:44 UTC  

Alright im not gonna carry on this conversation. Clearly you have no intention of being intellectually honest

2019-11-11 00:13:02 UTC  

@Say and how is that dishonest?

2019-11-11 00:13:06 UTC  

You pick and choose when consent is consent

2019-11-11 00:13:30 UTC  

But please, do run away if you can't handle it. I understand....

2019-11-11 00:13:33 UTC  

You continually place words in other people’s mouths and use strawmen

2019-11-11 00:13:47 UTC  

By your logic an unconscious persons right to consent is passed to the nearest person

2019-11-11 00:14:02 UTC  

In what world is that a thing

2019-11-11 00:14:24 UTC  

@Say nice. Youre trying to impeach me by using what I impeached you with. Try a little harder, will you?

2019-11-11 00:14:38 UTC  

I went to school for 12 years to become a doctor. It is admittedly frustrating when a layman with zero understanding of biology and chemistry tries to debunk one of the most well-accepted principles of medicine

2019-11-11 00:14:56 UTC  

@Mattie it's passed to a person willing to be their caretaker. No coercion.

2019-11-11 00:15:25 UTC  

But they have no choice on who that is

2019-11-11 00:15:42 UTC  

@Say your appeal to authority means nothing. This subject matter is about morality. Please don't strawman.....AGAIN.

2019-11-11 00:16:00 UTC  

Appeals to authority isn’t a fallacy genius

2019-11-11 00:16:07 UTC  

Appeal to false authority is

2019-11-11 00:16:11 UTC  

@Mattie exactly. That's why there's a thing called "caretaker"

2019-11-11 00:16:25 UTC  

Appealing to experts in the field of medicine Isnt a fallacy

2019-11-11 00:16:44 UTC  

And i tried explaining the biological basis of vaccinations but you refused to listen

2019-11-11 00:16:46 UTC  

@Say you've never heard of expert bias? Because you're doing it right now.

2019-11-11 00:16:51 UTC  

@Say their not worth the time you can't change their mind the phrase ok boomer applies to this very situation

2019-11-11 00:17:10 UTC  

@hootersforshooters Lol ok boomer

2019-11-11 00:17:24 UTC  

Fr, stop pretending you know more than someone who does this stuff for a living

2019-11-11 00:17:38 UTC  

How many pharmacology classes have you taken @hootersforshooters

2019-11-11 00:17:58 UTC  

Im gonna guess zero

2019-11-11 00:18:35 UTC  

@Say once again....? The subject matter ISNT biology. It's morality. Your EXPERTISE is forcing you to put on your blinders and only argue what you want to argue and NOT the subject matter. If you can't adhere to the point at hand, please don't try to sabotage the discussion with your strawman positions.

2019-11-11 00:18:46 UTC  

Ok boomer