But, whose counting? Since it has nothing to do with the subject matter.

It absolutely has to do with the subject matter

The subject matter is......harm and the right to harm.....aka coercion. So, if you want to stray away from that, well, that won't help anyone.

If this is a cost/reward exchange (which it isnt) then you have a better chance if dying by not being vaccinated then getting autism from vaccines

https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

@Say so, moral relativism.....

Statistics are all important and comparing all the recorded statistics not just cherry picking ones that support your current point is the basis of a coherant argument in any debate regarding science

You think you are allowed a to force people to do things that may harm them, right?

What does moral relativism have anything to do with this

That's because the chance of getting autism from vaccines is zero

@Mattie you enjoy all the statistics you want. The subject matter is harm, coercion.....like you said...informed consent.

Yes. People should run the **incredibly** low chance of being harmed from a vaccine to avoid the very real chance of death that comes from not being vaccinated

@Say you think you're allowed to harm people .

Yes but statistics are still a very important point

That you're allowed to coerce people.

You may have to cause someone pain to fix a broken bone, but in the end, you won’t die from that broken bone

@Mattie not to this subject matter.

You might break a few ribs while giving CPR, but it’s worth it to save the person’s life

@Say so, you believe in coercion, right?

By that logic we shouldn't relocate a dislocated shoulder because we could cause harm

@hootersforshooters so you think we shouldn’t give people CPR, right?

Cause it might break a few ribs and cause them pain

@Say "You might break a few ribs while giving CPR, but it’s worth it to save the person’s life"
Please stop with the strawman. You're not a real doctor, are you?

Or ct or xrays either

I am

Because radiation

It’s not a strawman

Strawman strawman strawman....

Broken ribs are a common side affect of cpr

You’re saying that it’s unacceptable to potentially harm someone in order to save their life

Coercion, yes or no?

You are hiding behind a straw man

If you don't like a valid argument you call it a straw man lol

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It's impossible to create a strawman when sticking to the subject matter.

Or that strawman

Saying that its not on topic

Analogies aren’t strawmen

@Mattie um, no......it's not a valid argument. That's why

Analogies are useful to see logical consistency

Inaccurate analogies are, though. False comparison.