Profit IS in fact THEFT you bigots <:zucc:433402362447527936>

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I do not really enjoy smear pieces and authoritative lies

Enslaved by god means true freedom

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the economic systems from like a century ago do not exactly make proper sense in this day and age, given just how much has changed

I'd say let's decouple the buying price and the selling price. The buying price should have a lower limit and an upper limit, the exact price should be determined by the demand (the higher the demand, the higher the price). The selling price should have similar limits, but it should be determined by scarcity/supply (the more an item is sold, the less money you'd get). Also monetary transactions should be bound to contracts (an exchange of similarly valuable goods or services), it shouldn't be possible for rich individuals to give everyone a million bucks without anything in return and crash the economy.

deinstall the app because of limited space

also just leave the house

she's probably forcing him to share everything with her

sounds like a sh*t mom you got m8

no

unless you're philosophically inclined and well aware of what you're doing @Tero

it's a biological thing

@Sock it's a biological thing

if you remove the roots, the whole tree collapses

if nothing ever matters, then ... well?

without religion there is barely any moral cohesion within a larger society, only within tribes or friendship groups

well yeah because you aren't aware of studies done on that topic

first world countries aren't exactly the monument of moral cohesion

mass surveillance, a lobbyist government, wage stagnation, the exploitation of low wage migrants everywhere, massive inequalities and declining political freedoms aren't exactly a sign of moral exaltation @Sock

secular societies are better at hiding crimes

the deep web is filled with... respectable citizens from secular societies

abortion... is completely moral aswell I guess, same with the advocacy for euthanasia, forced vaccines and lgbtq+ rights... for children

great signs of a... moral cohesion within secular societies @Sock

Chores do not improve discipline, guidance does

nah we're pretty bad

pretty much endstage roman republic levels of immorality

ye up until the end of the republic, then it was all about distraction

secularism is a sign of cultural decline

@Sock actually read historians

and it's not the romantic empire

just because there was a church, doesn't mean it was a Christian society

most of the people were serfs or degenerate welfare recipients

just look at "true religions"

and tell me that there isn't a difference between institutional religions and religious traditions

you're acting as if there is no difference

Could it just be that you lack confidence and that you're not enjoying your subject? @TheTechnoVampire

@Sock tell me how many atheists are grounded in sound philosophy

then tell me how secular societies are somehow superior to a Christian society

same honestly, I learn less from textbooks

except maybe philosophy

I have to actually do the math myself

damn 5'8" in a white majority country

basically lift and eat clean, skin care and hairstyle are important

are these studies comparing atheists with non-religious christians or muslims?

non-religious Christians, those who do not actually believe, are basically Atheists

and Muslims are... Muslims

@Sock *more intelligent

if you control for intelligence levels religion wouldn't greatly matter

spiritual people tend to have less psychopathic/Machiavellian tendencies

ok then let's look at what "God" does

the philosophical concept of God presents him as an ideal or as the personified virtue

if you strive to become just like that Jesus figure or personified virtue, you'll likely end up being a better person

if you're religious for merely social reasons and if you're lacking the philosophical understanding of what is actually moral, if you do not even recall what's inside your holy book (most christians), then you're likely going to act immorally

@Sock given that we have a completely subjective sense of things and that we could be disproven by innumerable possible factors regarding everything we'd decide upon as moral values, we have no clue about what's true or what's truly good

Define God

And then we might agree or disagree

We need a moral authority, every society needs such. Some individuals don't, but they're not necessarily moral.

Well define this "Christian" God, what would be his attributes?

or what would be his nature

well what goes beyond time

or what is the ruler of time, the cage that makes up our world

that without which time wouldn't have the structure

You have to know what God is if you want to talk about the theological understanding of good and evil

Because everything would emerge from God's voice and we would be his mirror image

Well what goes beyond time

or what is that which rules from the beginning to the end of it (a concept, not a being)

the most basic event is A => B

what does this event require

well what is God

"christcuck" is not an argument, not every Christian is a pope licking black people's shoes

the pope is evil, the vatican has always been evil

no give me an answer to what is actually God

otherwise you'll just reject everything as nonsense

No give me an answer as to which principle goes beyond time

I don't care about your belief

Your faith doesn't matter whatsoever

ye but what transcends time

one thing we would know and which would be legitimate through circular reasoning

logic/logos

how is logic legitimate other than through logic

if you do not agree with logic, you're putting your own worldview outside of it

so truth and logic do not exist, it's just a tool

>logic isn't legitimate
>truth can only be approximate
>"I'm willing to accept that religious people CAN be moral"

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There can't be any circular reasoning according to @Sock because logic isn't an inherent principle, it's just a human tool because truth doesn't exist outside of human perspectives

except truth is literally that which lies outside of human reasoning and logos means many more things other than just logical systems

@Sock not true, deductive reasoning has been pretty effective

that's why ancient doctors knew about causes of illnesses long before modern scientists confirmed those

not talking about some random guru astrologer doctor, I'm talking about the people after Aristoteles

@Sock that assumption is false mainly because our senses are imperfect

perception does reign above logic, as logic would require a consciousness that would contain it

but since our perception of things is bad, it's better to trust logic

Logos doesn't just mean logical system

we'd have to assume that in ethics

but it's more honest to acknowledge the technical possibility in metaphysical discussions

or epidemiological ones

since the holographic model of the universe is currently gaining scientific ground, I wouldn't say it's just a possibility

and if the universe is a hologram, we might just happen to be the reflection of someone's mind or the construct of someone's logos.