and Muslims are... Muslims

Toppest of all keks

Penis size also doesn't matter but I also got a big peeepee

Okay violent crime rates are way lower in first world countries that are primarily composed of non religious Christians and athiests

NOT THAT IT MATTERS

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Violent crime rates have gone down as we get more secular

I'm not saying secularist is responsible

People who talk big about their pp, actually have the smallest one @Amir

@Sock *more intelligent

@Amir then why are you bragging about it in the internet

I'm just saying secularist isn't making things worse

I'm having a brain meltdown after watching the podcast

@Sock `Plus we don't have a large sample size of entirely secular societies`
sure we do, we could start with the two most well known, the ussr and the people's republic of china

Secularism*

Sorry for sperging out on your conversation.

Fucking destiny and Hasan though absolute cunts

if you control for intelligence levels religion wouldn't greatly matter

Had to ruin it at the end

Look I really want to get back to the root of the question

spiritual people tend to have less psychopathic/Machiavellian tendencies

Because this is a philosophical one not a sociological one

@Antiboom @MegaFangs I'm only pretending to be retarded smileyface

ok then let's look at what "God" does

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the philosophical concept of God presents him as an ideal or as the personified virtue

if you strive to become just like that Jesus figure or personified virtue, you'll likely end up being a better person

Would those virtues be good if God hadn't demonstrated that they were good?

if you're religious for merely social reasons and if you're lacking the philosophical understanding of what is actually moral, if you do not even recall what's inside your holy book (most christians), then you're likely going to act immorally

@Sock given that we have a completely subjective sense of things and that we could be disproven by innumerable possible factors regarding everything we'd decide upon as moral values, we have no clue about what's true or what's truly good

So you're saying we need to trust that what God told us was good is actually good

I don't want to put words in your mouth

Do you agree with that?

Define God

And then we might agree or disagree

We need a moral authority, every society needs such. Some individuals don't, but they're not necessarily moral.

Whatever form of Christian god you would believe to be the one who conveyed these morals that we otherwise would not have been able to distinguish

Well define this "Christian" God, what would be his attributes?

I'm not Christian I don't know.

or what would be his nature