Secularism*

Sorry for sperging out on your conversation.

Fucking destiny and Hasan though absolute cunts

if you control for intelligence levels religion wouldn't greatly matter

Had to ruin it at the end

Look I really want to get back to the root of the question

spiritual people tend to have less psychopathic/Machiavellian tendencies

Because this is a philosophical one not a sociological one

@Antiboom @MegaFangs I'm only pretending to be retarded smileyface

ok then let's look at what "God" does

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the philosophical concept of God presents him as an ideal or as the personified virtue

if you strive to become just like that Jesus figure or personified virtue, you'll likely end up being a better person

Would those virtues be good if God hadn't demonstrated that they were good?

if you're religious for merely social reasons and if you're lacking the philosophical understanding of what is actually moral, if you do not even recall what's inside your holy book (most christians), then you're likely going to act immorally

@Sock given that we have a completely subjective sense of things and that we could be disproven by innumerable possible factors regarding everything we'd decide upon as moral values, we have no clue about what's true or what's truly good

So you're saying we need to trust that what God told us was good is actually good

I don't want to put words in your mouth

Do you agree with that?

Define God

And then we might agree or disagree

We need a moral authority, every society needs such. Some individuals don't, but they're not necessarily moral.

Whatever form of Christian god you would believe to be the one who conveyed these morals that we otherwise would not have been able to distinguish

Well define this "Christian" God, what would be his attributes?

I'm not Christian I don't know.

or what would be his nature

well what goes beyond time

or what is the ruler of time, the cage that makes up our world

that without which time wouldn't have the structure

I'm just wondering how you know that the morals god gave are actually good if you don't think you could distinguish good morals from bad without god

Like he could have just given you non-ideal morals and you'd never know

You have to know what God is if you want to talk about the theological understanding of good and evil

But we don't really know what God is

Because everything would emerge from God's voice and we would be his mirror image

Well what goes beyond time

or what is that which rules from the beginning to the end of it (a concept, not a being)

the most basic event is A => B

what does this event require

`Would those virtues be good if God hadn't demonstrated that they were good?`
maybe, but how would we know if not for god?

in the christcuck narrative, we have god to thank for our moral senses, us being made in god's image and all that