Wat?

I respect that the legacy media plays an important role

Just like Windows XP drivers...

Most of the real journalism that happens is done by newspaper reporters

Oh?

Interesting

And TV Media journalists alike.

The cancer comes from commentators

The spin zone

It comes from editorializing

Same thing

You can't discredit all TV media on the same grounds.

News is no longer "X happened" it's "here's why X is racist and you should hate it"

I don't discredit "all"

I recognize their serious flaws

Things have gotten bad enough that I feel the need to fact-check nearly every source

pomo needs to be dismantled so acts of journalism can be performed

Huh?

Huh?

right now shit is thrown against the wall and what sticks is the postmodern narrative

The business models are very unstable and that doesn't help things

Yes

so does a shift in audience interest need to happen, to help the market of real journalism?

Yes

It’s fundamentally cultural

well I'd say you've all done good work in making that happen

I think the most important thing

Is establishing a chain of credibility

We need a.... **Dare I say it**.... a spirit of honesty

I look to the open source software community to inform potential structures

More than a spirit, we need mechanisms of enforcement

You need the underlying idea first

Only as a seed

Yes

E x a c t l y

So operate with honesty and build from there

I’m going to bed

Well that is an obvious first step

Eat shit and die you wonderful retard(s)

I like this idea, maybe tactics should be shifted then

There is room for a diversity of approaches

agreed

perhaps they just need to be amplified

To be honest I think it would only take one of two cultural hubs to be toppled for enough people to become disenfranchised, accelerationism is the best tactic for this I think

So to have these people have something honest fair and liberating to fall onto should be that goal

I think a solid alternative needs to be already in place

(this is already happening 👍 )

Kind of

There is a lot of room for improvement

well Im just speaking from experiance, it could be better defined I think for sure

In what ways do you think it could improve?

We need a complete journalistic supply chain

Reporters on the ground covering events

Analysts collating and representing data

Presenters portraying common themes and interacting with the community

That factor is growing

We also need a set of consistent and robust ethics and best practices

Enforced transparency and peer review

Stable business models

Individual and collective brand strength

on what scale do you think we should be looking at? Is this a grassroots solution or should an attempt be made to connect preexisting people and ideas to create the movement?

To actually replace legacy media as opposed to just undermining their agendas

Both

Im fully on board with this, the market is there so what you're putting forward is spot on

have any attempts been made at this "rebrand" (or movement or what ever the fuck its called)

Only on an individual basis from what I can see

Of course for the system to work it will have to capitalize on established individuals

mmmm yes, I often wonder if there is talk between sargon and co about this

capitalise away I'd say, youd come out with a far more positive resualt that the reset of the media

Part of the problem is the skeptic community is heavily loaded in commentators

We need a deep range of skill sets

It's something I've been thinking about

I used to watch all of them at one point now I just watch 2 or 3

I will definitely exploit people's contributions as I get more involved

I watch a handful

who would you like to see involved?

The thing is my vision at least is not necessarily of a cohesive group

wondering if some kind og coalition would be enough

But levels of individuals that adhere to certain basic standards for their roles

Coordinating in qualified trust with other levels of the system

We would need people like Tim Pool on the ground

Part of the problem is establishing strong and flexible connections between large numbers

Like Sargon generally trusts Pool bc they've met and he's reviewed his work

But a strong system may require hundreds of reporters

Ok, excuse my ignorance, Im going to be wrong here, but its an idea

is it possible you use something like the amazon cloud to build a streaming platform explicitly for this purpose?

It's certainly possible

an independant jouralist platform that have a code of ethics for people to access

A major issue is social capital

Something I am working on building

I would be interested in being involved if at all necessary

There is definitely a lot to do

More thinking will have to be done to determine actual courses of action

is this the best place to find you to discuss?

Yeah I'm on Discord most of the time

Twitter if I'm offline

I'll start my own Discord at some point but I have higher priorities atm

sounds great

I have a few ideas but im sure people on here have more/greater expertise in making it happen

Maybe some of them do idk; just keep developing your ideas if you know they have value

What you 2 are talking about?

Some gay shit

lowering the age of marriage

12

It doesn't look like Tim will be doing much on-the-ground reporting.

Because he always loses money.

If y’all start using postmodernism as a buzzword I recommend getting a sense of philosophers like Foucault. Discipline and Punish is like $12 with Prime and is probably his most digestible work.

It’s about how we’ve historically moved away from punishing the body through torture to punishing the soul instead

Thank you, Dr. Layman

You know it's about to be woke ass shit when it begins with *"well in Romania we -"*

"punishing the soul instead"

Sounds so much more wholesome

The first few pages recount an insanely violent execution from the 18th century

Seems a very inept execution

Damn gimme those fingers boi

*inept execution you say?*

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/11/06/the-air-force-says-it-failed-to-follow-procedures-allowing-texas-church-shooter-to-obtain-firearms/?utm_term=.c1d8e50a9c06

Serious incompetence

I heard about that, sounds like they really need to wake tf up

i wanna see what bullshit gun contol bill they'll shit out now and totally ignore this guy got his guns illegally anyway

At least he didn’t get a dishonorable discharge, otherwise it would’ve been illegal for him to own a firearm under any circumstances and the AF would’ve been absolutely skewered for not sharing that

https://youtu.be/WMxIREDY_kg

@wjoe626 but he did get dishonorably discharged and they didn't file it. That's the whole point

Oh

It was bad conduct

My bad

but domestic violence

that disqualifies firearm ownership as well

Why he got kicked from the air force?

yea

the domestic violence

oh, got it

Ben Shapiro was listing off several jackass moves he did before he was discharged

Attacking his wife and intentionally and repeatedly cracking his infant sons skull was just part of him being a complete ass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIh0R55C1Pc

Is live.

What's your take on James Allsup?

James allsup?

Very conservative youtuber.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIZBXVGIJoJMXf8giib0IiQ

hmmm ill check him out

Decent followng, 167k subs.

I don't know, I like him but I think some of his videos lately have been iffy.

Is he a retrograder?

I dont want to authoritarians on either side to gain too much traction

Not sure what you mean by that. Like is he hyper traditionalist?

Yes

Would use the same tactics as an SJW

Maybe, I suppose it depends on your perspective.

Like fireing someone becouse of his opinion

No, I don't think he supports that. On the other hand that's a very nuanced subject.

For example, I personally would find it hard not to judge someone's character if they called themself a communist.

Sure doesn't speak well of their intention to support my capitalist enterprise.

I wouldn't fire them solely on that position, but it would open up the possibility lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlaNWD5ofWU

I don't know I think James can be kind of self-righteous. He's generally on the right side of things but his approach is what turns me off. Now that I think about it, it might be approapriate to call him somewhat retrograde. I guess it's the method whereby he reaches his conclusions.

Idk, help me sort it out guys.

if you feel so inclined

I don't know the guy

i mean, i have seen him talking good things about the alt right i guess

or something similar

Wew lad

Let's just take away rights willy nilly with no justification and when people speak up just strawman them 😀👍

If every verified Twitter lefty dropped dead we would lose nothing of value in society

America has as many guns as people

Confiscation is not an option

Cracking down on the black market is more impotant

Actually we have way more guns than people

Way, way way more

Like 2.3 guns per person

People don't realize there is a clean break between the legal market and illegal market for firearms

Most guns used in crime are handguns, primarily compact or subcompact low cost semi-autos, rarely in calibers larger than 9mm

Rifles used in crime are exceedingly rare, fewer than 5% of weapons confiscated by the police are long guns

The vast majority are stolen, most of the rest are straw purchases

People buying guns legally and using them in a crime is almost unheard of

Gun shops are required by law to keep records of sales for a short period of time

My favorite thing is when journos say something like "long guns" or "assault weapons", then roll with it like those terms mean something concrete

Seems unbiased

north korea....

oooooo dear:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/23266/dem-congressman-who-walked-out-moment-silence-daily-wire

https://www.tenor.co/uDkx.gif

pretty much

the last tweet's most popular response is just the 'stop stop he's already dead' gif

looooool

^

This is old, but still good

Strange to think that, back then, people got the fucking joke:

What do you mean?

Look off to the right

Some of those dudes could probably have served during the actual war

and they're still laughing

The culture today is hypersensitive

Oh

Got it

Like, I guess that 2-3 years ago people would see it as a joke too

Things ramped up pretty quick

Shit got worse after Trump got it

I think Richard Belzer threw out a salute a few years back

Not sure if Motherboard wrote about how 'problematic' it is that celebritites are 'normalising fascist culture' or something though

I don't know what happened to vice, they had a share of progressive stuff, but they also had a good share of good stuff

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2158509/Law--Order-star-Richard-Belzer-claims-hes-entitled-Nazi-salute.html

oh well

Funny you mention Vice

Their cover of Ukraine was awesome

I was going to say a few hours ago how it's so weird that Vice Sports still seems like a good source for things, whereas the rest of Vice has just slid downhill at a rapid pace

They figured money can be easily made from beeing partisan

Probably

Still, do you know if they had a change of team or something?

I still remember that piece they did on a UK 'debt collector'

Well, if I recall, Gavin McInnes co-founded the whole thing

Then bailed at some point

I can imagine things changed somewhat around then

*pure speculation

Shane Smith seemed like a decent dude

Can't believe he would just bow down to progressivism for the sake of money

Progresives have no principles

Yup

They will bend a knee to a corp that is empty virtue signaling

Basically Destiny in a nutshell

Except he is actually a corporatist

Although I guess that could be said for many progressives

Destinys meltdown during his debate with sargon was a thing of beauty

I watch that shit on repeat

Slavery was a net benefit to the economy

you could see he got pissed

Just great

That slavery line was probably the best thing I've ever heard

Destiny didn't know what fucking hit him

*B U T D A W G*

You could her his hesitence after that

I want to help my country D A W G

by fucking the working class

have you seen his tweet, calling a black girl coon just because she didn't liked BLM?

yeah

fucking gold

Absolotly no self awarness

Like, how he tought it would be ok to call her a coon?

The dude is okay with incest

The fact that he is a white progressive who claims to be against racism, except you know, the anti-white kind, and then calls a black girl a coon

the ultimate irony

when people fall outside the progressive narative they show their true colors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKyuq-hSD44

Dude, movements like this, have a toon of people who are in just for the sake of powerplay

That to of course, and then there's people like my sister who, I love her to death, but she was never into philosophy or debating, so she isn't used to seeing dishonest tactics used and was basically brainwashed into ausefull idiot in college

A lot of people just aren't equipped with the experience needed to notice the bullshit

Rhetoric is a power