The cancer comes from commentators

The spin zone

It comes from editorializing

Same thing

You can't discredit all TV media on the same grounds.

News is no longer "X happened" it's "here's why X is racist and you should hate it"

I don't discredit "all"

I recognize their serious flaws

Things have gotten bad enough that I feel the need to fact-check nearly every source

pomo needs to be dismantled so acts of journalism can be performed

Huh?

Huh?

right now shit is thrown against the wall and what sticks is the postmodern narrative

The business models are very unstable and that doesn't help things

Yes

so does a shift in audience interest need to happen, to help the market of real journalism?

Yes

It’s fundamentally cultural

well I'd say you've all done good work in making that happen

I think the most important thing

Is establishing a chain of credibility

We need a.... **Dare I say it**.... a spirit of honesty

I look to the open source software community to inform potential structures

More than a spirit, we need mechanisms of enforcement

You need the underlying idea first

Only as a seed

Yes

E x a c t l y

So operate with honesty and build from there

I’m going to bed

Well that is an obvious first step

Eat shit and die you wonderful retard(s)

I like this idea, maybe tactics should be shifted then

There is room for a diversity of approaches

agreed

perhaps they just need to be amplified

To be honest I think it would only take one of two cultural hubs to be toppled for enough people to become disenfranchised, accelerationism is the best tactic for this I think

So to have these people have something honest fair and liberating to fall onto should be that goal

I think a solid alternative needs to be already in place

(this is already happening 👍 )

Kind of