The business models are very unstable and that doesn't help things

Yes

so does a shift in audience interest need to happen, to help the market of real journalism?

Yes

It’s fundamentally cultural

well I'd say you've all done good work in making that happen

I think the most important thing

Is establishing a chain of credibility

We need a.... **Dare I say it**.... a spirit of honesty

I look to the open source software community to inform potential structures

More than a spirit, we need mechanisms of enforcement

You need the underlying idea first

Only as a seed

Yes

E x a c t l y

So operate with honesty and build from there

I’m going to bed

Well that is an obvious first step

Eat shit and die you wonderful retard(s)

I like this idea, maybe tactics should be shifted then

There is room for a diversity of approaches

agreed

perhaps they just need to be amplified

To be honest I think it would only take one of two cultural hubs to be toppled for enough people to become disenfranchised, accelerationism is the best tactic for this I think

So to have these people have something honest fair and liberating to fall onto should be that goal

I think a solid alternative needs to be already in place

(this is already happening 👍 )

Kind of

There is a lot of room for improvement

well Im just speaking from experiance, it could be better defined I think for sure

In what ways do you think it could improve?

We need a complete journalistic supply chain

Reporters on the ground covering events

Analysts collating and representing data

Presenters portraying common themes and interacting with the community

That factor is growing

We also need a set of consistent and robust ethics and best practices

Enforced transparency and peer review

Stable business models

Individual and collective brand strength

on what scale do you think we should be looking at? Is this a grassroots solution or should an attempt be made to connect preexisting people and ideas to create the movement?