They should be deported

what ever happened to that caravan coming from cnetral america?

did they make it in or were they stopped?

I see it this way: Illegal immigrants should be given immediate, basic medical treatment, then immediately tossed over the border if they haven't been productive, contributing members of society

If they have contributed, put them at the back of the immigration line

^

while that is a nice sentiment isn't spending tax payers money on giving them free medical not the best idea?

@A Psyker Knight Pilot funny how the media doesn’t want you to know what actually happened to them

Basic medical care

I mean yeah I actually don't know what happened and I live in Texas

As in broken bones, etc

ah

I don't mean super special surgery and the like

I'm torn between my want to be a good person and wanting to get them out of the country

fair enough

The thing is, it's pragmatic

you can't save everyone

^

If you give them enough treatment that they don't immediately die of easily treated illness and injury, _then_ deport them, you eliminate the drain on your resources without being inhumane

So much of that thread is basically BUT THEY'RE FLEEING GANGS AND SHIT

so? People *in the country they are fleeing to* are 'fleeing gangs and shit'

they have to learn how to save themselves, and they should start by getting their shitty country cleaned up.

And even then, it's impractical to actually deport everyone. Better to just lose the leeches and let the others become citizens.

well maybe the military should do something about the gang problem

Which

To be fair

Still means deporting most of them

You can seek asylum if you are being the subject of political persecution

Fuck those shitworlders

Yes, they should stay and fix their own country. It's better for everyone in the long term.

the biggest issue I see is that after we catch them we have to back up the courts with thousands of cases to then deport them

when it should be automatic

holy shit

ONE based Democrat in the comment thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8vbbg9/seeking_asylum_isnt_a_crime_why_do_trump_and/e1m8k1x/

```I read comments like those in this thread and I don’t know how to grapple with my party - I’m a registered Dem in CO.

Seeking asylum is not a crime, and neither is denying it. The left approaches immigration the same way the right approaches climate change - there is no conversation around the very real adverse trade offs of population surges of unskilled, high birthrate people.

Whatever the solution to the problem of illegal immigration (and it is a problem), we have to agree on a reality and then work to solve it to the best we can. We cannot make policy on pictures and anecdotes. Statistics must win the day.

Asylum for all is not a solution. If my party can’t discuss both sides of the immigration debate cogently, and show we’re serious about solving it (not blanket asylum and a general open borders policy) then I fear we will loose again when it comes time to vote.```

well fuck

He gets points for self-awareness

They are obviously a minority. No pun intended. <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

I don't spend much time on reddit anymore, and this thread highlights why

Even sensible comments will only be read by a fraction of people

probably will change even less minds

and before the next few minutes pass it will probably be swamped over by the next 20 topics being posted

What'll probably happen is the Dems with self-awareness will continue to shrink in number and the hysterical left will increase in number until they lose power completely

I just stick to my gaming and anime sub reddits and every once in awhile spend time on Tumblrinaction

Then once the right has near total institutional power, they will devolve into stagnancy as they did in the 1990s, and the Left will get its shit together again.

maybe during the stagnancy new parties could crop up

I know its an impossibility but hey

Anyone familiar with the concept of Evaporative Cooling

I think we're seeing that in the Dem party

nah, I don't new parties are going to spring up

unless, somehow an alternative voting system was implementated across the nation, on a statewide level

like what?

what they're implementing in maine right now

FPTP does not encourage multiple parties

*sigh*

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZQG9cwKbct2LtmL3p/evaporative-cooling-of-group-beliefs

```A few years back, I was on a transhumanist mailing list where a small group espousing "social democratic transhumanism" vitriolically insulted every libertarian on the list. Most libertarians left the mailing list, most of the others gave up on posting. As a result, the remaining group shifted substantially to the left. ```

Funny how that seems to work.

```Evaporative cooling sets up a potential energy barrier around a collection of hot atoms. Thermal energy is essentially statistical in nature—not all atoms are moving at the exact same speed. The kinetic energy of any given atom varies as the atoms collide with each other. If you set up a potential energy barrier that's just a little higher than the average thermal energy, the workings of chance will give an occasional atom a kinetic energy high enough to escape the trap. When an unusually fast atom escapes, it takes with an unusually large amount of kinetic energy, and the average energy decreases. The group becomes substantially cooler than the potential energy barrier around it.```

When a group insults all but a small inner circle and alienates everyone else, the remains are always left wing

The argument is when X group with Y beliefs continue to have their believes proven to be incorrect, it's the *moderates* who fall away from the group

The ones whom are more outspoken and open advocates for those beliefs wind up becoming *more* fanatical about them

And because the moderates have left the group, the group as a whole becomes even more extreme

@LordCaledus that's why you have to be "right wing"

otherwise lefties are going to come in and subvert

radical centrist for life

I mean I actually do lean right

Pretty close to where Ben Shapiro is at, politically

I feel like it's similar to how an air conditioner works, extracting the hot air away from the unit in order to keep it cool, rather than melting the entire thing down

Or even the way a pot boils

@LordCaledus I'm not talking about you as a person, but in terms of groups and organizations

If such group is not explicitly right wing, it will eventually become left wing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H7S9X3kNcs
@Deleted User

that party will die out

i had a sliced beef, montreal smoked meat sandwich with bbq sauce

heart attack soon

Lol. The dumpster fire DNC campaign ad.

That was pretty funny

that's a party meeting

Same thing, really, all dumpster fires.

Don't think I can link yet, due to lack of role.

copy paste link

Might not work.

Links are likely banned unless you have a role, and I'm not about to test it out. Bots can be evil things.

true

but that party is going to die in 20 years

I figure it's going to split and turn into the NDP/Liberal parties like Canada.

Both are progressive though. :|

yeah but that quasi 2 party system wont allow it

that vid has been up like 3 times @Fitzydog

lol I should have looked first

Guess what it didn't pass?

Customs. Huehue.

the RNC ad is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFRHX6glTSM

@Maw Lurkers don't have rights to embed. You can post links, it just won't embed a preview in chat. Gotta be green for that.

@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸

Almost thought that wasn't photoshopped