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2017-07-12 20:10:01 UTC

ur such a provocative cunt

2017-07-12 20:10:07 UTC

you don't know the life I've lived

2017-07-12 20:10:16 UTC

as a 12 year old?

2017-07-12 20:10:16 UTC

And you get to make baseless assumptions

2017-07-12 20:10:30 UTC

Age is a spook

2017-07-12 20:11:28 UTC

And now my honeytrap snaps shut, FBI freeze! ๐Ÿ”ซ ๐Ÿ‘ฎ ๐Ÿš”

2017-07-12 20:11:51 UTC

Your egoist cabal is going into the slammer

2017-07-12 20:12:22 UTC

Am I being detained?

2017-07-12 20:12:36 UTC

@Deleted User STOP! You have violated the law!

2017-07-12 20:13:10 UTC

Your stolen goods are now forfeit

2017-07-12 20:13:30 UTC

Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence

2017-07-12 20:26:51 UTC

egoists have invaded

2017-07-12 20:27:01 UTC

*leaps into spookbunker*

2017-07-12 20:27:10 UTC

Then pay with your blood!

2017-07-12 20:27:33 UTC

ive fought mudcrabs stronger than you

2017-07-12 20:43:53 UTC

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2017-07-12 20:58:30 UTC

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2017-07-12 21:01:50 UTC

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2017-07-12 21:29:38 UTC

seattle has big problem due to the rise of minimum wage

2017-07-12 21:30:05 UTC

merely a coincidence I'm sure

2017-07-12 21:31:19 UTC

any farsi speakers on this server?

2017-07-12 21:31:59 UTC

farsi is a real thing?

2017-07-12 21:32:00 UTC

Also is there anything more pretentious than the forber quote of the day thing they do

2017-07-12 21:32:15 UTC

MUH minimum wage socialism

2017-07-12 21:32:24 UTC

Damn commies and their wage slavery

2017-07-12 21:32:47 UTC

Just typical leftist having a backfire from their policy

2017-07-12 21:33:02 UTC

war on poverty, another success

2017-07-12 21:33:33 UTC

what practical purpose does theory even have

2017-07-12 21:33:41 UTC

what has theory accomplished for the proletariat

2017-07-12 21:57:44 UTC

Minimum wage isn't necessarily leftist. I don't support it.

2017-07-12 21:58:50 UTC

I don't support anything that is meant to justify capitalist wage labor.

2017-07-12 22:04:07 UTC

HURHUR LEFTISTS

2017-07-12 22:04:09 UTC

any tax is socialism obviously

2017-07-12 22:04:23 UTC

1% tax? S O C I A L I S M

2017-07-12 22:04:23 UTC

Read basic economix(neoliberalism)

2017-07-12 22:04:38 UTC

0.1% tax? N A Z I S

2017-07-12 22:06:23 UTC

what next are we gonna live under big brother

2017-07-12 22:06:25 UTC

Gommunism fails again, minimum wage sux

2017-07-12 22:09:12 UTC

0.0000001% tax?

2017-07-12 22:09:17 UTC

O P P R E S H U N

2017-07-12 22:10:17 UTC

muh taxation is theft

2017-07-12 22:10:25 UTC

mor privat roeds

2017-07-12 22:11:04 UTC

>no good country has private roads

2017-07-12 22:11:12 UTC

>lets make out country one with them

2017-07-12 22:11:20 UTC

hmpf

2017-07-12 22:12:14 UTC

Technically taxation is theft

2017-07-12 22:12:47 UTC

Eating other organisms is also technically theft

Didn't Rome have like a 0.005% tax?

2017-07-12 22:13:48 UTC

We had lower taxes under socialist regimes than now lol

At one point they did at least.

That's because there is more services now.

2017-07-12 22:14:15 UTC

property is theft

2017-07-12 22:14:23 UTC

because a sad man can crawl up to cancer medicine

2017-07-12 22:14:27 UTC

and you can claim its yours

2017-07-12 22:14:35 UTC

and by nap rules no one can counter you

2017-07-12 22:14:39 UTC

government usually as well

2017-07-12 22:14:47 UTC

#freeEverything

2017-07-12 22:15:39 UTC

Taxation is theft
Property is theft

2017-07-12 22:16:28 UTC

existance is theft

Stealing is theft

2017-07-12 22:20:56 UTC

Existing is theft

2017-07-12 22:21:56 UTC

<:Thonkeng:325807856228106250>

2017-07-12 22:23:56 UTC

๐Ÿค”

2017-07-12 22:24:39 UTC

I never claimed the minimum wage was socialism

2017-07-12 22:24:54 UTC

But it's undeniable that the people pushing for this are more to the left

2017-07-12 22:25:08 UTC

that's why i said leftist instead of socialist

2017-07-12 22:25:23 UTC

Papa bless all

2017-07-12 22:25:28 UTC

Any MLs here

2017-07-12 22:29:19 UTC

breathing is theft of oxygen

2017-07-12 22:29:40 UTC

^

2017-07-12 22:32:13 UTC

Maybe if we came to a voluntary agreement with the trees we can have an exchange of oxygen and CO2.

2017-07-12 22:32:28 UTC

Treat each other as the proletariat that we are.

2017-07-12 22:50:04 UTC

Functional Discord server ^

2017-07-12 22:50:46 UTC

>liberals trying to fix and legitimize capitalism is leftist

2017-07-12 22:50:54 UTC

๐Ÿค”

2017-07-12 22:51:42 UTC

Wouldn't the preferable option just be basic income.

2017-07-12 22:57:20 UTC

The issue is rising living costs and capitalism not being able to compensate for that on it's own.

2017-07-12 22:58:27 UTC

Minimum wage doesn't solve that and only minimizes the options people have while choosing how they work.

2017-07-12 22:58:59 UTC

You're gay and glib and probably a kike lel

2017-07-12 23:13:37 UTC

leftist is on a spectrum, again if people on the left but outside of socialism generally want a higher minimum wage

2017-07-12 23:13:51 UTC

You're strawmanning so fucking hard

2017-07-12 23:14:38 UTC

The one thing in our economy that has shown time and time again not to be able to compensate for a lack of equality is the government

2017-07-12 23:15:11 UTC

The government is run by capitalists

2017-07-12 23:15:40 UTC

In a sense but they always push for more government involvement, they go against the free market

2017-07-12 23:15:55 UTC

The free market doesn't exist

2017-07-12 23:16:01 UTC

The market is run on government currency

2017-07-12 23:16:05 UTC

Also

2017-07-12 23:16:13 UTC

b i t c o i n

2017-07-12 23:16:20 UTC

"the market" is more full of capitalist collusion than competition

2017-07-12 23:16:31 UTC

If they get to call more of the shots you get a freer market, I'm not talking about a 100 percent unregulated market

2017-07-12 23:16:34 UTC

the free market is soon

2017-07-12 23:17:01 UTC

They use their power to enforce more regulations, making it harder for anyone new to compete with them

2017-07-12 23:17:07 UTC

They use the government to do it

2017-07-12 23:17:51 UTC

Capitalists in the end want more profit against other capitalists, but they have much more contempt for their workers than they do for their fellow capitalists

2017-07-12 23:18:09 UTC

Capitalists ike the government

2017-07-12 23:18:20 UTC

I don't think you know that, the people on the top aren't the absolute monsters you portrait them at

2017-07-12 23:18:22 UTC

contempt in a symbiotic relationship

2017-07-12 23:18:23 UTC

they know this regulation stops the chances of workers rebellion

2017-07-12 23:18:32 UTC

Certain capitalists yes, but not the ones who are just starting

2017-07-12 23:18:46 UTC

Do you mean petite bourgouise?

2017-07-12 23:18:46 UTC

You agree that the government is in the pockets of big corporations right>?

2017-07-12 23:18:52 UTC

No

2017-07-12 23:19:02 UTC

All governments have class nature

2017-07-12 23:19:05 UTC

It is one of the capitalists

2017-07-12 23:19:10 UTC

So what do the lobbyists do?

2017-07-12 23:19:26 UTC

influence government to restrics the free market

2017-07-12 23:19:30 UTC

starting a small busines nd not being wage cucked makes you evil tbh

2017-07-12 23:19:37 UTC

wallmart lobbied for a minimum wage

2017-07-12 23:22:53 UTC

they can take a hit from higher wages, the upcoming business cannot

2017-07-12 23:24:13 UTC

tbh running a meme small tech business sounds great. Get a couple of m8s who know how to tech and see where it gets us

2017-07-12 23:24:17 UTC

I'm strawmaning?

2017-07-12 23:24:44 UTC

that's how silicon valley got big

2017-07-12 23:24:58 UTC

little restrictions on who they could hire and how they could work

2017-07-12 23:25:39 UTC

@Timo))) What is ur ideology/tendency?

2017-07-12 23:25:50 UTC

I'd say libertarian

2017-07-12 23:26:28 UTC

But I've been more socialist a few years back and a little more pro government before this now

2017-07-12 23:26:56 UTC

Sure

2017-07-12 23:27:06 UTC

@Timo))) would u like to have a peaceful debate

2017-07-12 23:27:26 UTC

Sure but it's really late here, but I'm on a lot here

2017-07-12 23:27:38 UTC

next time

2017-07-12 23:29:46 UTC

@BoleslawBierutLover if you want a sekret club serverm don't leave links laying around

2017-07-12 23:30:26 UTC

@Shaggy Blanco being exiled is not a punishment we have plenty of exiled in our server

2017-07-12 23:32:17 UTC

exile, a way of being told to fuck off nd presumably die leaves a very distinct impression

2017-07-12 23:34:20 UTC

@Shaggy Blanco did u leave?

2017-07-12 23:35:08 UTC

yep, assumed it was a meme punishment roles like in several other serbers ive been in

2017-07-12 23:37:33 UTC

u can join back

2017-07-12 23:48:56 UTC

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2017-07-12 23:59:07 UTC

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2017-07-13 00:11:52 UTC

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2017-07-13 00:43:16 UTC

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2017-07-13 00:44:45 UTC

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2017-07-13 00:45:17 UTC

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2017-07-13 00:47:30 UTC

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2017-07-13 00:59:15 UTC

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2017-07-13 01:02:19 UTC

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2017-07-13 01:06:52 UTC

thats oddly very attractive never thought i would see a nun that way

2017-07-13 01:34:20 UTC

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2017-07-13 01:34:56 UTC

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2017-07-13 01:35:21 UTC

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2017-07-13 01:36:19 UTC

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2017-07-13 01:37:57 UTC

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2017-07-13 03:08:46 UTC

Anybody who watched the video I posted this afternoon, are there any thoughts or criticisms that you have about it?

2017-07-13 03:09:14 UTC

@Danov It was fine

2017-07-13 03:09:20 UTC

Want to watch my cringy videos

2017-07-13 03:09:21 UTC

?

2017-07-13 03:10:47 UTC

Funnily enough, you're the first person to call it cringey.

2017-07-13 03:16:35 UTC

MY CRINGY

2017-07-13 03:16:39 UTC
2017-07-13 03:23:18 UTC

@BoleslawBierutLover show me whatchu got

2017-07-13 03:30:26 UTC
2017-07-13 04:00:15 UTC

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2017-07-13 04:15:57 UTC

hi

2017-07-13 04:16:10 UTC

No Huns allowed.

2017-07-13 04:16:15 UTC

oh ok

2017-07-13 04:26:00 UTC

Yet we allow animals like neoliberals in?

2017-07-13 04:30:19 UTC

Why did I get linked this

2017-07-13 04:30:31 UTC

I'm an anarcho-capitalist

2017-07-13 04:33:21 UTC

You're also a gay baby lel

2017-07-13 04:33:31 UTC

lol k

2017-07-13 04:33:36 UTC

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2017-07-13 04:34:22 UTC

What led you to capitalism and Austrian economics

2017-07-13 04:34:34 UTC

Who hurt you

2017-07-13 04:34:42 UTC

logic, statistics, and practicality

2017-07-13 04:34:58 UTC

๐Ÿค”

2017-07-13 04:35:30 UTC

Any specific reasons

2017-07-13 04:36:12 UTC

That the state only serves to perpetuate itself and take the liberties and property of the people

2017-07-13 04:36:26 UTC

While selling it as for their own good

2017-07-13 04:38:17 UTC

Oh word

2017-07-13 04:38:46 UTC

The power behind the upper class doesn't worry you?

2017-07-13 04:39:05 UTC

lets kill the rich

2017-07-13 04:39:28 UTC

Oh it does, but not because of the upper class themselves, merely their ability to lobby government into monopoly-perpetuating regulations

2017-07-13 04:40:08 UTC

You don't think some monopolies tend to develop in certain industries? Or regions?

2017-07-13 04:40:52 UTC

Lobbying is obviously one of the corporation's greatest strengths.

2017-07-13 04:41:17 UTC

Well, without state regulation, any monopoly could only perpetuate itself by either outperforming the competition or providing the best prices. State monopolies on the other hand are maintained by regulation and force.

2017-07-13 04:42:09 UTC

Private property and capitalism need to be maintained by force though anyway.

2017-07-13 04:42:41 UTC

I mean you'd just have private companies acting as government, no?

2017-07-13 04:42:52 UTC

No, that violates the NAP

2017-07-13 04:42:53 UTC

as such

2017-07-13 04:43:15 UTC

people with guns tend to stop those that use means of aggression

2017-07-13 04:46:38 UTC

Guns are good. No guarantee in a world with large centralized military and nukes I suppose.

2017-07-13 04:46:53 UTC

How do you define a state?

2017-07-13 04:47:31 UTC

A means of involuntary control and theft maintained by force funded from said theft

2017-07-13 04:48:49 UTC

As Murray Rothbard puts it, there are two ways to make capital, the *natural means*, that is to apply labor to natural resources and exchange the products of that labor, and the *political means*, that is to steal pillage and loot. The state is the organization of the political means.

2017-07-13 04:49:59 UTC

You see though that lefties tend to think both the government and capitalist organizations fit that description.

2017-07-13 04:50:31 UTC

The surplus labor point?

2017-07-13 04:50:54 UTC

They see both as theives

2017-07-13 04:51:27 UTC

A job is a voluntary agreement between employer and employee.

2017-07-13 04:52:16 UTC

That "surplus labor" that lefties like to say is stolen is that of the person who puts effort into running a business, and fronts the financial risk to create one

2017-07-13 05:01:48 UTC

@Apophis False, you ignore that somebody who does not own the means of production and had no initital resources has absolutely no choice but to sell his labor power to somebody above him

2017-07-13 05:02:24 UTC

No, he has the choice not to, but he'll deal with the consequences of not actually working to survive

2017-07-13 05:02:45 UTC

the employer offers a voluntary alternative to inevitable starvation

2017-07-13 05:03:06 UTC

It isn't the question of working, it s the question of being subject to somebody else's expoloitation

2017-07-13 05:03:15 UTC

as workers do not get the value of their labor

2017-07-13 05:03:18 UTC

A choice having consequence does not make it not a choice. It isn't exploitation

2017-07-13 05:03:30 UTC

Yes it is

2017-07-13 05:03:40 UTC

Yes they do, they get what they voluntarily agreed was their labor's value

2017-07-13 05:03:51 UTC

But they do not have a choice

2017-07-13 05:03:58 UTC

they must sell themselves to a capitalist

2017-07-13 05:04:01 UTC

Yes they do

2017-07-13 05:04:25 UTC

They can choose to face the consequences of refusing to contribute to something

2017-07-13 05:04:30 UTC

That is not much choice, be exploited here or here. Talk to anybody who actually works because you clearly don't, nobody fucking likes their job

2017-07-13 05:04:48 UTC

@Apophis People want to contribute something they actually want to it isn't about being lazy you retard

2017-07-13 05:05:22 UTC

*I can't actually disprove so I throw ad hominems and non-cited, false consensus anecdotes*

2017-07-13 05:05:41 UTC

I just did

2017-07-13 05:06:00 UTC

I said people must sell themselves to a capitalist. They are subject to them, that is not a free choice

2017-07-13 05:06:09 UTC

Capitalists need to make a profit

2017-07-13 05:06:24 UTC

And as such they need to pay their workers less than their value, that is exploitation

2017-07-13 05:07:02 UTC

Capital is the measure of contribution to society. If one does not contribute, then they should not freely recieve the property of those who do

2017-07-13 05:07:28 UTC

Smh, but they must contribute to a capitalist, somebody profiting off their labor.

2017-07-13 05:07:47 UTC

@Apophis join vc of this server you have so much misconceptions I cannot type this

2017-07-13 05:08:02 UTC

Yes, and capitalists make their money providing goods and services to those who need or want them

2017-07-13 05:08:12 UTC

I don't *do* voice chat

2017-07-13 05:08:21 UTC

Than we are done here

2017-07-13 05:08:25 UTC

Fine.

2017-07-13 05:08:44 UTC

@Apophis Get a job please.

2017-07-13 05:09:02 UTC

Don't critisise people who contribute when you yourself do not

2017-07-13 05:09:28 UTC

That's not how leftists define a capitalist. Which is fine.

2017-07-13 05:09:38 UTC

Maybe ask around for some books

2017-07-13 05:09:44 UTC

Or something

2017-07-13 05:09:57 UTC

Right, it's not like I work to provide the internet I'm talking to you with @BoleslawBierutLover. Quit your ad hominem bs

2017-07-13 05:10:10 UTC

>Capital is the measure of contribution to society.
What about volunteering or unpaid work? It is a bit cynical to say all contributions are reducible to creation of capital. It is not mandatory and when someone else takes the credit for you work, that's exploitation also.

2017-07-13 05:11:21 UTC

Alright, you can choose not to accept capital for work. As a proponent of voluntary charity, I'll concede that, but in general that claim stands. They've contributed labor, or goods, or whatever it may be, and that causes them to get capital

2017-07-13 05:11:30 UTC

hence why those the consumer favors get more

2017-07-13 05:13:47 UTC

So it is possible to do unpaid work. There is not a necessary relationship between work and capital. Therefore your statement that capital is a measure of contribution is arbitrary and assumes something that is not inherent in the nature of labour. Capital is optional result of labour, among many things. You are putting too much weight on the assumption that all society ought to be run this way. This is called ideological bias.

2017-07-13 05:17:21 UTC

there is a relationship between work and capital, if some wish to not take any form of capital for their work that's fine, I've nothing against that. But people are generally compelled to make a profit, and it's through labor, be that as a business owner or as an employee of a business that satisfies the consumer, that that capital is made. Therefore, while work can be done without making capital, capital cannot be made without doing work.

2017-07-13 05:18:51 UTC

Are investments considered work?

2017-07-13 05:20:45 UTC

Yes

2017-07-13 05:20:56 UTC

That's kind of what investing is

2017-07-13 05:22:57 UTC

So the act of buying and selling is considered work, probably the minimal kind. Should you get paid according to the amount of work?

2017-07-13 05:25:08 UTC

You should get paid based on voluntary agreement as to what the labor or exhange is worth. If the investor voluntarily agrees with the investee that he should get X return on profits, and both parties are okay with that, then X return of profits would be the value of the investor's contribution

2017-07-13 05:27:53 UTC

Fuck no, investing isn't work

2017-07-13 05:28:17 UTC

Wanna elaborate at all?

2017-07-13 05:28:57 UTC

Yes, but i have no idea why someone would think that in the first place

2017-07-13 05:29:10 UTC

Well when you say "work", do you mean profession, labor, or what?

2017-07-13 05:29:17 UTC

>voluntary agreement
Here is the problem. If the conventions of the market are not favourable to you, you can not negotiate with it, else you have no market. You are assuming that all traders have equal footing. If you are in a disadvantaged position, as dictated by the market, there is no such thing as 'voluntary agreement'. You will starve.

2017-07-13 05:29:59 UTC

Again what I said workers are subject to what the capitalists decide for them

2017-07-13 05:30:01 UTC

Yes, and one can choose not to contribute through work and face the consequence of starving. The employer merely offers an alternative

2017-07-13 05:30:09 UTC

VOLUNTARILY

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