Why did I get linked this

I'm an anarcho-capitalist

lol k

logic, statistics, and practicality

That the state only serves to perpetuate itself and take the liberties and property of the people

While selling it as for their own good

Oh it does, but not because of the upper class themselves, merely their ability to lobby government into monopoly-perpetuating regulations

Well, without state regulation, any monopoly could only perpetuate itself by either outperforming the competition or providing the best prices. State monopolies on the other hand are maintained by regulation and force.

No, that violates the NAP

as such

people with guns tend to stop those that use means of aggression

A means of involuntary control and theft maintained by force funded from said theft

As Murray Rothbard puts it, there are two ways to make capital, the *natural means*, that is to apply labor to natural resources and exchange the products of that labor, and the *political means*, that is to steal pillage and loot. The state is the organization of the political means.

The surplus labor point?

A job is a voluntary agreement between employer and employee.

That "surplus labor" that lefties like to say is stolen is that of the person who puts effort into running a business, and fronts the financial risk to create one

No, he has the choice not to, but he'll deal with the consequences of not actually working to survive

the employer offers a voluntary alternative to inevitable starvation

A choice having consequence does not make it not a choice. It isn't exploitation

Yes they do, they get what they voluntarily agreed was their labor's value

Yes they do

They can choose to face the consequences of refusing to contribute to something

*I can't actually disprove so I throw ad hominems and non-cited, false consensus anecdotes*

Capital is the measure of contribution to society. If one does not contribute, then they should not freely recieve the property of those who do

Yes, and capitalists make their money providing goods and services to those who need or want them

I don't *do* voice chat

Fine.

Right, it's not like I work to provide the internet I'm talking to you with @BoleslawBierutLover. Quit your ad hominem bs

Alright, you can choose not to accept capital for work. As a proponent of voluntary charity, I'll concede that, but in general that claim stands. They've contributed labor, or goods, or whatever it may be, and that causes them to get capital

hence why those the consumer favors get more

there is a relationship between work and capital, if some wish to not take any form of capital for their work that's fine, I've nothing against that. But people are generally compelled to make a profit, and it's through labor, be that as a business owner or as an employee of a business that satisfies the consumer, that that capital is made. Therefore, while work can be done without making capital, capital cannot be made without doing work.

Yes

That's kind of what investing is

You should get paid based on voluntary agreement as to what the labor or exhange is worth. If the investor voluntarily agrees with the investee that he should get X return on profits, and both parties are okay with that, then X return of profits would be the value of the investor's contribution

Wanna elaborate at all?

Well when you say "work", do you mean profession, labor, or what?

Yes, and one can choose not to contribute through work and face the consequence of starving. The employer merely offers an alternative

VOLUNTARILY

In your ideology, those who don't work and contribute should still recieve capital. In capitalism, one must contribute to society, be that through owning a business that can only remain if the consumers are okay with the product and/or price, through working for such a business, or to front financial risk for such a business with a voluntarily agreed return.

Because you kill people who dare not do exactly as your government demands. There's no unemployed because they're in labor camps or dead.

And in the argument of The Ministry of the Meat and Dairy Industry of the Tadjik SSR, that's not capitalism's fault. The existence of a state violates capitalism because taxes, lobbying and regulation make monopolies.

No. If there were no better alternatives, that very much is due to state regulation causing monopolies

I was invited by someone I've never met

yeah

Idk why I was invited

I take it I'm gonna get b&?

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm done "debating", or whatever that was. At least for now. I guess if anyone has questions to ask an ancap, I'm fine with answering

Sure, consider it voluntary charity

kek

cucks

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rip

heyo my dudes

See, I've just been banished from an edgy fascist server

it was so bad

Why have name

When I can post ***LINK***

https://discordapp.com/invite/HKcqGDZ

These fashies

I have an identical alt, it'd be so fun to mess with them

lol

@Rodolfo Graziani nice troll my dude

they did

glorious

see, they get mad so easy

for anyone else, https://discordapp.com/invite/HKcqGDZ is full of hair trigger ancaps

they also banned a guy for being israeli

lmao

don't sell me out pls

don't want my alt banned

I like to watch them flip out

they're anarchist, but pro-state-run borders

the robo guy is british

`>left unity is a myth`

*>To enter heaven, Christ has to enter you.*
Has Christianity changed stance on gay people?

howdy

am new here. how's it going?

this is quite a dead server isn't it?

or is it just largely on american time

Silver, did you just join?

kek

hey guts

*guys

if this geta 8 ⬆s I will join antifa

lol

doubt

no race is shit man

democracy is a spook

so many online, but none posting

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how do we seize the memes of production?

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@Doggo J chill

awfully hostile, comrade

not you ias

more like my parents were poor so I can't get an education so I can't get a good job so I'm poor, so I can't get a good education etc etc...

implying I'm a liberal

looool