@Deleted User I don't have a personal problem with capitalism. But I'm Marxist

I'm also petite-bourgeois

Do you have a personal problem with the bourgeois?

By objective class

How are you petit-bourgeois?

@Deleted User From my family.

And the wealth of your family are a fount for you to drink from?

@Deleted User Now it is my wealth

Inheritence?

@Deleted User yes

The worker doesn't own the means of production, the enterprise. So the worker has to sell the skills (labour force)... but since the worker is in disadvantage to negotiate a contract the worker needs to push for better conditions or it depends completely on the conditions of the bourgeois

that's why there are unions

Lenin was an aristocrat, Engels managed his own fabrics.

It is unfortunate the the aloof bourgeois still do not understand the necessity of working with their employees rather than distancing themselves and allowing for others to take their place in that area

That detail always tickles me Apex

@Deleted User Only revolution can bring communism.

When I talk to Marxist-Leninists

An aristocrat is their hero, in the movement for the workers'

And what do you define communism as?

If aristocrat is on the side of proletariat its all good.

"It is unfortunate the the aloof bourgeois still do not understand the necessity of working with their employees rather than distancing themselves and allowing for others to take their place in that area" The national bourgeoisie

Other aristocrat: Gyorgy Lukacs

Very few who shed blood became influential in that system.

Those who labored, and later fed up and sacrificed never ascended, instead allowing those who did neither to instead.

Lenin was sent to prison

Marx to the exile

Stalin to prison

The bolsheviks robbed banks

Stalin was a worker, Mao too

Stalin was only a worker for a short time in factory as a cobbler apprentice as a child

Otherwise he quickly found his way into politics and/or insurgent activities

He infiltrated factories working in them.

He who acts as one though he is not one

He didn't have an income from capital.

He is of class proletariat.

He WAS until he became an official in the revolutionary government

But he was not a mere laborer

@Deleted User Officials work for the class.

@Ladifour meow

"I must say in all conscience, comrades, that I do
not deserve a good half of the flattering things that
have been said here about me. I am, it appears, a hero
of the October Revolution, the leader of the Communist
Party of the Soviet Union, the leader of the Communist
International, a legendary warrior-knight and all the
rest of it. That is absurd, comrades, and quite unneces-
sary exaggeration. It is the sort of thing that is usually
said at the graveside of a departed revolutionary. But
I have no intention of dying yet.
I must therefore give a true picture of what I was
formerly, and to whom I owe my present position in
our Party.
Comrade Arakel* said here that in the old days he
regarded himself as one of my teachers, and myself as
his pupil. That is perfectly true, comrades. I really
was, and still am, one of the pupils of the advanced
workers of the Tiflis railway workshops"

http://www.marx2mao.com/PDFs/StWorks8.pdf page 204

goodbye

>gripes about the social-democrats in the first few pages

Even Stalin hated them

Also I C E P I C K

@Deleted User Social-Democracy is a national-socialism in the first stage.

Has nothing to do with Marxism anymore.

That is a complete and utter untruth my friend

Social Democracy was one of the things National Socialists formed to oppose

In fact it was the very first movement Hitler was introduced to

That is what Marxist theory came to. At first it was an opposition but after Social-Democrats joined NatSoc

He even remarked it had strayed far from anything it ever could have been to begin with

And had taken the unions with it

Social Democrats may have *converted* but National Socialism and Social Democracy are two wildly different systems

If they were able to convert something is wrong there. Marxists do not convert.

They are logical, rational.

Humans are infallible.

As I have said before, you really ought to read Mein Kampf. Second and third chapters heavily involve criticisms of SocDem and why it was bunkum in his opinion

If I recall correctly it was mostly because the movement was driven by non-workers, much like many such movements

Hmmm

@Deleted User Social-Democrats turned NatSoc. Marxist fought them in the war.

Now we are against SocDems

Individuals, not Social-Democracy and its rotten structure

The structure makes the prone. The lack of theory and structure too.

And you must understand, many National Socialists WERE Marxist leaning, what was disavowed were Marxists themselves rather than Marx's philosophies

So they turn

SocDems are Fascist babies.

You do not even know what fascism is

Actually, no, I skipped ahead

Define fascism

@Deleted User Show me your amazing script of propaganda

Yours first my friend

I have none.

Never used it. I made few for other people

So you claim that Socdems are fascist yet you do not know what a fascist is?

I would really like to talk about Stalinism.

instead

I do not mean to condescend, I am no more wiser on certain subjects

And despite my aversion to fascism's might-makes-right tendencies I have a personal obligation to help you to understand things I already do

Read this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/299053443312779265/301969166276231168/IronMarch_-_Next_Leap.pdf

It's the best possible I can provide at the moment

It's a bit edgy but it should help paint what exactly actual fascists are about

National-Socialism can work only under Marxist authority.

And it did

It was beaten up by Marxists

It was beaten by those who were misguided

The treachery of nations leaked into the affairs of the people.

T h i c c

National socialism works..it was the only credible existential threat to international capital..ever...not communism...national socialism...that's why you are so programmed to despise it

wew

I guess that's why Hitler made juicy deals with the UK and some porkys from US and they didn't intervene until it was too obvious

Or why he privatized strategic sectors of the german economy

https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/158089/Georgi-Dimitroff-fascism.png

Yep, that sure is against capital, yes sir

yes...valuing a nation's labour over intenational credit loans and central banking lol...whereas you act like a rebel and forward central banking. derp

they're for capitalists

nah..the quote is nonsense...national socialists circumvented the embargo and boycott by trading with other nations by commodity instead of caputal lololol