It doesn't matter. Workers go to the workplace and they receive wages; these wages are just a part of what the owner has won in total

the profit

and just a little part goes to the workers in the form of salary

the other part is surplus value extracted from the workers who have worked for the enterprise

@Deleted User his parents produce.

So you would say you are of the opinion you are for a sense of justice rather than personal strife?

@Deleted User Something stolen from his family is something stolen from him.

What does his family produce and for whom?

@Deleted User I don't know him. I'm here first time.

What is the difference?

Every man's reasons for his opinions is personal, whether it's a personal zeal to solve the problems of others as well

I seek to understand the cause, solution, and reasons for involvement

@Deleted User I don't have a personal problem with capitalism. But I'm Marxist

I'm also petite-bourgeois

Do you have a personal problem with the bourgeois?

By objective class

How are you petit-bourgeois?

@Deleted User From my family.

And the wealth of your family are a fount for you to drink from?

@Deleted User Now it is my wealth

Inheritence?

@Deleted User yes

The worker doesn't own the means of production, the enterprise. So the worker has to sell the skills (labour force)... but since the worker is in disadvantage to negotiate a contract the worker needs to push for better conditions or it depends completely on the conditions of the bourgeois

that's why there are unions

Lenin was an aristocrat, Engels managed his own fabrics.

It is unfortunate the the aloof bourgeois still do not understand the necessity of working with their employees rather than distancing themselves and allowing for others to take their place in that area

That detail always tickles me Apex

@Deleted User Only revolution can bring communism.

When I talk to Marxist-Leninists

An aristocrat is their hero, in the movement for the workers'

And what do you define communism as?

If aristocrat is on the side of proletariat its all good.

"It is unfortunate the the aloof bourgeois still do not understand the necessity of working with their employees rather than distancing themselves and allowing for others to take their place in that area" The national bourgeoisie

Other aristocrat: Gyorgy Lukacs

Very few who shed blood became influential in that system.

Those who labored, and later fed up and sacrificed never ascended, instead allowing those who did neither to instead.

Lenin was sent to prison

Marx to the exile

Stalin to prison

The bolsheviks robbed banks

Stalin was a worker, Mao too