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I guess that's why Hitler made juicy deals with the UK and some porkys from US and they didn't intervene until it was too obvious

Or why he privatized strategic sectors of the german economy

Yep, that sure is against capital, yes sir

>valuing a nation's labour over intenational credit loans
>making deals with other country's porkys and basically privatizing everything to put your friends in strategic positions

Pick one. What you're defending is only a more authoritarian and shittier form of capitalism

Do you know what the president of one of the most important banks in Spain after the failed coup in 83?

"I honestly didn't care if the coup was successful or not, I was still going to be the bank's president the day after"

Sure, it's me who's clueless and not the guy who hasn't studied german economy a single bit, or the relationships between capitalists and nazi germany, privatization...

Slack, seriously, just read a fucking book

Marx wasn't even a Jew

^^^^

*cough*

See, when you have to resort to mental gymnastics instead of trying to be objective in your analysis then you know you're brainwashed

Read about privatization in nazi germany and nazi ties to capitalists all around the world and tell me if that's being anticapitalist, retard

Do you think it's a coincidence that, when the people are tired of liberalism and porky wants to protect its capital, these right-wing populists/pseudofascists start to pop up and get massive media coverage like crazy?

When capitalism is in danger it always resorts to fascism or its variants

"People are so dumb", says the guy who is falling for the capitalist tactics of becoming more authoritarian when the situation is dangerous for them

😂

Ahh, the irony

Yes, there's a huge irony in your words

Why don't you address the topic of Hitler privatizing the economy and making deals with capitalists all over the globe?

Hey, don't ignore my question

Tell me, why did Hitler privatize strategic sectors of the economy while making deals with the bourgeoisie all over the globe?

Isn't he against capitalism?

The US and the UK are poor nations?

See, now you're just being ridiculous

And why did he privatize the economy?

^^^^

this

and Ford is only one example

Slack, you're just being a poor caricature of yourself at this point

First do your research, then have an opinion, not the other way around

because if you don't, you say the most stupid shit like "national socialism/hitler is anticapitalist" which is extremely easy to debunk

Trucks, like the ones Ford produced for the nazis?

😂

Such anti-capitalism

😂

This is exactly my point, you dense faggot

National socialism just replaces capitalists with their preferred porkys

Not only are there capitalist corporations and exploitation of the proletariat, there was also massive privatization

and deals with foreign countries

Again, just a more authoritarian form of capitalism

You know the guy who was responsible for nazi propaganda in Spain was a jew, right?

Hitler didn't do shit to some strategic jews

So not only you don't do anything to capitalists, you also let some very powerful jews stay?

National socialism is a joke

True

Both Strasser brothers were taken care of

And you know why?

Because they were actually socialists

With some serious nationalistic spooks, but socialists nonetheless

So, so far we have

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them

And you dare to say it was socialist, holy fuck 😂

"Another elusive case of reported financing of Hitler is that of Fritz Thyssen, the German steel magnate who associated himself with the Nazi movement in the early 20s."

"Thyssen's U.S. partners were, of course, prominent members of the Wall Street financial establishment."

*really makes me think*

"Nazi financier Hendrik Jozef Kouwenhoven, Roland Harriman's fellow-director at Union Banking Corporation in New York, was managing director of the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. (BHS) of Rotterdam. In 1940 the BHS held approximately $2.2 million assets in the Union Banking Corporation, which in turn did most of its business with BHS.20 In the 1930s Kouwenhoven was also a director of the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G., the steel cartel founded with Wall Street funds in the mid-1920s. Like Baron Schroder, he was a prominent Hitler supporter."

@slack#7189 looks like Hitler was financed by US bankers, really makes me think

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are you trying to tell me these bankers didn't know in what they were investing?

😂

Not necessarily

Jews are one thing, zionism is other

But seriously slack, don't embarass yourself more

Everything you've said so fair has been easily debunked in less than one second

They're not fallacious as there's proof of every one of them

Not only that, state atheism was spread like crazy

Yeah, now it's all a historical revisionism, sure

^fallacy

Slack, what I'm doing is going to the original sources and telling you why you're wrong. What you're doing is trying to push a national socialist agenda that's only lies on top of more lies to hide the fact that they were as capitalist as anyone else

Look, retard

You're saying nazi germany was socialist and I've given you several examples of why it wasn't

And you keep covering your ears and shouting

it's not me who can't bear nuance and critique

Not only did the workers NOT own the MoP, it acted like the most economically neoliberal country in practice, while being politically authoritarian, given the examples I provided earlier

You're basically defending what you're supposed to be against just to protect your ideology (in a zizekian sense)

"lol well considering i am already a retard and dense faggot, it may well be you that is having some difficulty keeping their jimmies unrusteld lololol"

That's a 5yo-tier response, but okay

Socialism isn't based on "the common wheel", it's far form being simple

"you're the imposter" isn't an argument

And I'm not saying you're employing any political zizekianism, you need to improve your reading comprehension

That's not an argument either

Your messages are 50% propaganda, 40% insults and variations of "triggered" and 10% something that looks like an argument but isn't

I haven't mentioned the holocaust a single time, btw

I've just discussed about the economic nature of nazi germany

And that's what hurts you the most, that I'm actually debunking it economically instead of saying "muh 6 gorillion"

You're completely clueless when it comes to how germany truly functioned, that's why you ignore every claim I made or say that it's "fake news"

It's hard to argue when all you can do is repeat what nazi propaganda has told you by heart

I'm not american 😂

I see your reading comprehension is still shit, btw

I mean, you haven't adressed any of my economic points not a single time and resorted to "jewish plots" and such

The only way you can say nazi germany is socialist is completely twisting the definition of socialism until it fits your worldview, just like nazis did

Yeah, I only throw insults, whatever man

You know what, it's good that you think that nazi germany was socialist, at least you'll bring some laughs to every discord you visit

Which it didn't @Blebleh

Then you've just debunked yourself, retard

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

Oh yes, this can't be more socialist!

Each one of them is easily proven, and I've proven several before in this discussion

Another elusive case of reported financing of Hitler is that of Fritz Thyssen, the German steel magnate who associated himself with the Nazi movement in the early 20s. Thyssen's U.S. partners were, of course, prominent members of the Wall Street financial establishment. Nazi financier Hendrik Jozef Kouwenhoven, Roland Harriman's fellow-director at Union Banking Corporation in New York, was managing director of the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. (BHS) of Rotterdam. In 1940 the BHS held approximately $2.2 million assets in the Union Banking Corporation, which in turn did most of its business with BHS.20 In the 1930s Kouwenhoven was also a director of the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G., the steel cartel founded with Wall Street funds in the mid-1920s. Like Baron Schroder, he was a prominent Hitler supporter.

that's 6

The press director in Spain was jewish

that's 5

Hitler made deals with british and american capitalists, such as henry ford

that's 4

The strasser brothers were persecuted, one of them killed in the night of the long knives

that's 3

now let me find the sources for privatization in nazi germany

And it's already very obvious that it was a capitalist mode of production

I didn't say that "all real national socialist were killed", but the ones who could actually make the party actually socialist, because Hitler knew that it wouldn't be good for their commercial relationships with capitalist countries and for germany itself, given the ties he had to german magnates

"a worker's paradise", yeah, sure

While making deals with german porkys and every worker being exploited as it happened in every other capitalist country

and not only that, with a strong authoritarian control over them

See, now you're just rewriting history

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

Again, this stands proven

except 2, because I still have to look for the sources

but it takes less than 5 minutes to do so

Yeah, let's argue about the discussion itself now

The coward's only escape

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

You can't prove this wrong, so you stay debunked

"negating capitalist hegemony"

You can't be this retarded

You're just replacing a capitalist hegemony with another

Not an argument, mate

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

This stands proven

you stay debunked

😉

All you can do at this point is personally attack me

😂

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

You stay debunked, see

you can only personally attack me

@Blebleh Do you think I've proven them, to get a second opinion about this?

Yes, it's called getting some outside perspective

If only you, the person who's being debunked, denies those points as proven, then you're just in denial

oh boy, here we go

Tell us, what is capitalism @slack ?

And they're privatizing, and making deals with foreign, capitalist and powerful countries

"I can't explain this with my own words because I don't fully understand it so I'll just link this article that sounds smart and fancy"

Yeah, no

Tell us, slack

What is capitalism

That's not what we're asking

We're asking you to define capitalism

Blebleh and I

Yeah, so you can't even define what capitalism is

What a waste of time

Now this isn't even funny, it's just pathetic

Look slack, this might work with your parents and people who don't know shit about economy or politics, but you can't join a political server in discord and try to pull the same shit on us

Because then you get debunked in 5 minutes and have to constantly post this pathetic passive-aggresive messages to protect your ideology and your ego

Then god help your children, because you have the mindset of a 5 year old

And the political knowledge of someone that uses wordpress as a reliable source

Btw, blebleh is telling you what capitalism is, you should pay attention

It might help you in future discussions and hell, maybe even you'll learn a thing or two about economy

If you want to talk about historical emergence, then you should look at historical materialism, the relationships of power between oppressor and oppressed, etc.

😂

Now you're pulling the "nah, I'm not going to talk to you" card

holy fuck, this is surreal

Now in english, please

Seriously, what the fuck do you mean

race realism has been debunked millions of times, both theoretically and practically

IQ tests aren't even made to measure intelligence

They're made to measure progress in education

It's not a factoid, it's why it was invented in the first palce

No, not initially

it still has the same function

Yes, that's why people who live in more poor countries usually score lower

Lower IQ has always been tied to poverty, not race

It's only racists who link it to, for example, black people in america, because it's useful for their agenda

No, that's not racist to say

Those are physical abilities

but when it comes to intelligence, it isn't the same

You can see that results from people from the same economic background that are of different races overlap

I love how the argument is that historical materialism is shit because black people are dumb

It sure is an impressive "argument" to defend

Yes, don't tell me it's more complex than that because you're basically saying that historical materialism is false because some races are more intelligent than others

Or because races have different characteristics overall

material dialecticism, holy fuck

what are those innate needs?

also, impressive technological developments

Oh, so now you take out the "gulag" card to disprove the economic miracle of the USSR when we haven't mentioned the holocaust once when discussing about nazi germany

Nice double standards

Talk about economy, not gulags

Then we can have a somewhat decent discussion

Come on

Try to disprove the USSR's economical growth

A nazi criticizing gulags and forced labour, this is hilarious 😂

No, of course you're not, my friend

You only defend nazi germany until death

and "race realism"

but totally not a nazi, no sir

@Blebleh We should've listened to Durruti

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

Ahhh, what a nice sight

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6

All of them, there

>can't differentiate a bourgeois revolution and a proletarian one

Where did you study, slack?

Genuinely curious

Do you tell your kids that too?

Well, you know

Your "kids"

The imaginary ones that you say you have on the internet

You're mexican?

What are you doing with the zapatistas in the first place

Aren't commies part of a jewish plot?

You youself said it a while back

Sure, because the useful idiots are the ones who want to change the system from top to bottom and directly eliminate any kind of bourgeoisie, jewish or not, not the ones who fight for an authoritarian capitalist state that has links to powerful capitalist countries and still exploits their workers and accumulates capital

Those are the useful idiots, not the slaves of capitalist tactics

Sure.

Fairer while being exploited by a capitalist that's protected by the government and can make you starve if he wants to? that's just wanting to be a slave

I'm not misappropiating anything, those are the consequences of the society you want

There's nothing more dangerous that a slave that defends his masters, or even worse, wants even more authoritarian masters

You just did

You have every single aspect of what makes someone national "socialist"

Yeah, sure

The guy who completely avoids every argument I make, constantly makes personal attacks, discusses about the discussion as a way to protect himself and can't even speak english properly, is going tell me that I need to debate better.

Yeah, no

Sure, because the jewish plots, defending nazi germany and race realism aren't nazi characteristics, no sir

Yeah, now you're just trolling

I'm sure nazi germany would be a paradise for you, as you said

"a paradise for workers"

They check the census, see you're jewish, to the camp you go

Because I tend to discuss what I disagree with

You also said it was socialist

"well, actuyally if you scroll up...most of your comments are all about me personally"

Oh, the irony

If we both made a list of personal attacks, who do you think would win in this debate?

See

No, no

It's the other way around I'm afraid

How old are your kids?

It's hard to believe that such a immature person can have kids, tbh

I get the ignorant part, even a retard could educate them if he's mature and has a sense for things

but an overly emotional children, I don't see that happening

that's why I asked you their age

Because they're either non-existant or extremely young

No, I'm actually concerned

I feel bad for them, if they exist

"En la vida real no soy nadie, pero en internet me monto mis películas"

Yeah, I already know how that goes

kek

You tell me where you're from and what's your job and I tell you mine

I'm not english

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