Message from @Apex

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2017-05-19 05:02:00 UTC  

I seek to understand the cause, solution, and reasons for involvement

2017-05-19 05:02:14 UTC  

@Deleted User I don't have a personal problem with capitalism. But I'm Marxist

2017-05-19 05:02:33 UTC  

I'm also petite-bourgeois

2017-05-19 05:02:36 UTC  

Do you have a personal problem with the bourgeois?

2017-05-19 05:02:43 UTC  

By objective class

2017-05-19 05:02:46 UTC  

How are you petit-bourgeois?

2017-05-19 05:02:59 UTC  

@Deleted User From my family.

2017-05-19 05:03:35 UTC  

And the wealth of your family are a fount for you to drink from?

2017-05-19 05:03:52 UTC  

@Deleted User Now it is my wealth

2017-05-19 05:04:00 UTC  

Inheritence?

2017-05-19 05:04:06 UTC  
2017-05-19 05:04:24 UTC  

The worker doesn't own the means of production, the enterprise. So the worker has to sell the skills (labour force)... but since the worker is in disadvantage to negotiate a contract the worker needs to push for better conditions or it depends completely on the conditions of the bourgeois

2017-05-19 05:04:34 UTC  

that's why there are unions

2017-05-19 05:05:18 UTC  

Lenin was an aristocrat, Engels managed his own fabrics.

2017-05-19 05:05:27 UTC  

It is unfortunate the the aloof bourgeois still do not understand the necessity of working with their employees rather than distancing themselves and allowing for others to take their place in that area

2017-05-19 05:05:49 UTC  

That detail always tickles me Apex

2017-05-19 05:05:54 UTC  

@Deleted User Only revolution can bring communism.

2017-05-19 05:05:56 UTC  

When I talk to Marxist-Leninists

2017-05-19 05:06:08 UTC  

An aristocrat is their hero, in the movement for the workers'

2017-05-19 05:06:24 UTC  

And what do you define communism as?

2017-05-19 05:06:42 UTC  

If aristocrat is on the side of proletariat its all good.

2017-05-19 05:06:46 UTC  

"It is unfortunate the the aloof bourgeois still do not understand the necessity of working with their employees rather than distancing themselves and allowing for others to take their place in that area" The national bourgeoisie

2017-05-19 05:07:27 UTC  

Other aristocrat: Gyorgy Lukacs

2017-05-19 05:07:48 UTC  

Very few who shed blood became influential in that system.

2017-05-19 05:08:32 UTC  

Those who labored, and later fed up and sacrificed never ascended, instead allowing those who did neither to instead.

2017-05-19 05:09:43 UTC  

Lenin was sent to prison

2017-05-19 05:09:47 UTC  

Marx to the exile

2017-05-19 05:09:55 UTC  

Stalin to prison

2017-05-19 05:10:03 UTC  

The bolsheviks robbed banks

2017-05-19 05:10:13 UTC  

Stalin was a worker, Mao too

2017-05-19 05:13:40 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/314993996097126400/Calculatingrate.png

2017-05-19 05:13:58 UTC  

Stalin was only a worker for a short time in factory as a cobbler apprentice as a child

2017-05-19 05:14:28 UTC  

Otherwise he quickly found his way into politics and/or insurgent activities

2017-05-19 05:14:40 UTC  

He infiltrated factories working in them.

2017-05-19 05:14:57 UTC  

He who acts as one though he is not one

2017-05-19 05:15:19 UTC  

He didn't have an income from capital.

2017-05-19 05:15:32 UTC  

He is of class proletariat.

2017-05-19 05:16:04 UTC  

He WAS until he became an official in the revolutionary government

2017-05-19 05:16:18 UTC  

But he was not a mere laborer

2017-05-19 05:16:33 UTC  

@Deleted User Officials work for the class.

2017-05-19 05:19:27 UTC