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2017-05-19 00:00:31 UTC

Why is there is only Lenin

2017-05-19 00:00:42 UTC

Where is comrade Mao or Hozha

2017-05-19 00:00:49 UTC

Stalin?

2017-05-19 00:01:49 UTC

Why not united marxist-leninist front?

2017-05-19 00:05:13 UTC
2017-05-19 00:05:53 UTC

what

2017-05-19 00:07:44 UTC

@Deleted User You've missed the right-wing raid. Why most right-wing are the lower, white trash, poor and delusional folks?

2017-05-19 00:08:08 UTC

@aleks Why is it united Leninist front and not united Stalinist front?

2017-05-19 00:09:45 UTC

cause most MLs reject the term stalinism, just as stalin himself did. and the word leninism implies Marxism-Leninism the two are interchangeable

2017-05-19 00:11:43 UTC

No, it doesn't imply anything. Trotskiest are usually accepted in "leninist" communities.

2017-05-19 00:11:53 UTC

Are they accepted in ULF?

2017-05-19 00:32:04 UTC

It's no wonder there's a strong divide between most modern Marxists and the proletariat.

2017-05-19 00:37:15 UTC

@Deleted User Trotskiest are the one's making divides.

2017-05-19 00:37:29 UTC

We embrace unity and authority.

2017-05-19 00:39:03 UTC

Stuff like
>Why most right-wing are the lower, white trash, poor and delusional folks?
Doesn't give good impressions honestly

2017-05-19 00:40:02 UTC

@Deleted User We have to destroy this filth with proper education.

2017-05-19 00:40:07 UTC

And better nutrition.

2017-05-19 00:40:47 UTC

The fallacious delusions of the ivory tower's residents

2017-05-19 00:41:30 UTC

Read Mein Kampf Firefly I'll give you a PDF link. If you're going to be a socialist/revolutionary-theory-shitter be the kind I am.

2017-05-19 00:41:49 UTC

@Deleted User I've read it 16 years ago

2017-05-19 00:47:01 UTC

Well you need to read it again, let me link it

2017-05-19 00:47:22 UTC

@Deleted User I kinda remember it.

2017-05-19 00:48:11 UTC

Same here honestly, re-reading books like Hitler's, Marx, etc you pick up on stuff you didn't before

2017-05-19 00:49:00 UTC

@Deleted User I've read it with a group of people. For a month. Writing essays.

2017-05-19 00:53:59 UTC

New <#314928198809026561> channel is up and running. Invite your Spanish-speaking friends.

2017-05-19 00:55:30 UTC

Join voice chat.

2017-05-19 01:00:14 UTC

Yo yo yo

2017-05-19 01:06:48 UTC

These are some of the spiciest memes I've seen yet.

2017-05-19 02:07:31 UTC

@ent Just checked. The server is fun indeed.

2017-05-19 02:34:09 UTC

@Firefly Let me talk from experience. The right-wing on the internet is young, alienated and believes in fairy tales. They at least understand something is wrong with the system, but their alternative is based on forming a new mythology, instead of a purely material analysis of their alienation. It is a post-enlightenment regression back towards idealism. And due to this they will never find a resolution to their struggle, nor do they necessarily want to according to myths put as central to their ideology. The hamster on the wheel who accepts his situation and whose sole enjoyment is striving to be the best hamster in the wheel. The right-wing in an ideology based on existential trappings. A philosophy based on 'the now' and the identity of 'the self' or 'the tribe' can never transform itself to be free of these duties. Its view is based on preservation first, not transformation. This is why they are hamsters.

2017-05-19 02:35:32 UTC

You can sense the desperation in their words.

2017-05-19 02:39:28 UTC

@Deleted User why didn't you do anything about it yet?

2017-05-19 02:40:56 UTC

About what?

2017-05-19 02:42:59 UTC

@Deleted User about this situation on the right-wing.

2017-05-19 02:43:34 UTC

There are problems and you've been Fascist.

2017-05-19 02:43:56 UTC

I realised it was bullshit.

2017-05-19 02:44:08 UTC

Why?

2017-05-19 02:44:52 UTC

@Deleted User
What's your current position?

2017-05-19 02:45:42 UTC

@The Study of Change#1345 get out, libertarian filth.

2017-05-19 02:46:07 UTC

@The Study of Change#1345 Now I am studying Marxism because the right doesn't have enough answers. I will learn if it is better, which is why I am here.

2017-05-19 02:46:09 UTC

He left hymself

2017-05-19 02:46:16 UTC

Didn't touch him.

2017-05-19 02:46:40 UTC

@Firefly
Welcome to an open server.

2017-05-19 02:49:38 UTC

@Firefly The right does not plan ahead or have a clear vision of the future. The most successful Fascist state possible would take over the world and then have to manufacture its own enemies. More likely it is turn on itself, forever. This was not a satisfactory scenario for me. It is fundamentally regressive.

2017-05-19 02:50:03 UTC

CHUCK SCHUMER IS GONNA IMPEACH DRUMPF

2017-05-19 02:50:14 UTC

DRUMPFTARDS BTFO

2017-05-19 02:50:27 UTC

@Deleted User
What's your supposed solution to that endless cycle of creative destruction now?

2017-05-19 02:51:45 UTC

@Deleted User Now as we have <#314649062928547840> channel you can ask questions there as you read through the books. Unti-During is always productive to discuss.

2017-05-19 02:52:36 UTC

@Firefly Thanks, I have lots of books on order. I will start studying in earnest soon. I will surely have questions.

2017-05-19 02:54:16 UTC

@The Study of Change#1345 The solution to the endless cycle is to transform the game. Man fights because it is in his nature. But I do not hold this as sacred. Man can be transformed and the cycle broken.

2017-05-19 02:54:48 UTC

<:che:312047280523837450>

2017-05-19 02:54:52 UTC

@Deleted User
A transformation. Interesting.

2017-05-19 02:57:24 UTC

@The Study of Change#1345 The next question is: transformed into what? It seems like Marx has a good answer in materialism. Becoming a being of reason not superstition.

2017-05-19 02:58:23 UTC

@Deleted User
Right now I see rationalism as the closest ideology to that solution.

2017-05-19 03:00:18 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/314960431938666506/spock.jpg

2017-05-19 03:01:24 UTC

@Deleted User
Ah, that is _much_ clearer now. Initially I found your view very ambiguous and hazy, but this explains a lot more of it now. I can finally take a step in the right research direction.

2017-05-19 03:03:09 UTC

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2017-05-19 03:04:38 UTC

The first communist egoist

2017-05-19 03:06:04 UTC

Or it could just be ensuring the individual's orientation towards the common good.

2017-05-19 03:12:25 UTC

@The Study of Change#1345 Thanks for the genuine interest. Not long ago I thought myself to be very right wing. Now I am in limbo. If my view changes away from the right soon I will have to probably change my avatar to something not associated to the Wehrmacht, as to not keep causing such confusion.

2017-05-19 03:14:16 UTC

@Deleted User
Well as of yet, I find Star Trek to be a good candidate for what you could represent.

2017-05-19 03:18:15 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/314964949174714369/Communist-Star-Trek.png

2017-05-19 03:19:05 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/314965159695351811/original.jpeg

2017-05-19 03:21:11 UTC

@Deleted User You should also read Dzerzhinski. He would like you

2017-05-19 04:23:18 UTC

We must create theoretical abstractions to counteract abstractions to solve field problems.

2017-05-19 04:33:30 UTC

@Kaiser Does that avatar denote a technocratic leaning or am I mad?

2017-05-19 04:46:24 UTC

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2017-05-19 04:47:03 UTC

@Blebleh Cultural Stalinism is the true way

2017-05-19 04:48:32 UTC

Forced labor camps are good when my heros use them

2017-05-19 04:49:58 UTC

Only for bourgeois thieves of surplus value; they have to work to repair what they've stolen, they're in debt

2017-05-19 04:50:18 UTC

You have a strong sense of justice regarding the bourgeois. Have they stolen from you recently?

2017-05-19 04:50:33 UTC

yes

2017-05-19 04:50:46 UTC

Have they stolen from *you* recently?

2017-05-19 04:50:58 UTC

always

2017-05-19 04:51:02 UTC

How so?

2017-05-19 04:51:55 UTC

From what's worked, a part of what I produce goes for them

2017-05-19 04:52:01 UTC

surplus value

2017-05-19 04:52:06 UTC

And you produce?

2017-05-19 04:52:07 UTC

but more like alienation in my case

2017-05-19 04:52:19 UTC

educational one

2017-05-19 04:52:38 UTC

the other one I see in my family

2017-05-19 04:52:41 UTC

yes

2017-05-19 04:52:57 UTC

Forgive me but I don't understand

2017-05-19 04:53:04 UTC

What do you produce

2017-05-19 04:54:01 UTC

It doesn't matter. Workers go to the workplace and they receive wages; these wages are just a part of what the owner has won in total

2017-05-19 04:54:05 UTC

the profit

2017-05-19 04:54:14 UTC

and just a little part goes to the workers in the form of salary

2017-05-19 04:54:32 UTC

the other part is surplus value extracted from the workers who have worked for the enterprise

2017-05-19 04:55:16 UTC

@Deleted User his parents produce.

2017-05-19 04:56:08 UTC

So you would say you are of the opinion you are for a sense of justice rather than personal strife?

2017-05-19 04:56:50 UTC

@Deleted User Something stolen from his family is something stolen from him.

2017-05-19 04:57:04 UTC

What does his family produce and for whom?

2017-05-19 04:57:29 UTC

@Deleted User I don't know him. I'm here first time.

2017-05-19 04:58:24 UTC

What is the difference?

2017-05-19 05:01:16 UTC

Every man's reasons for his opinions is personal, whether it's a personal zeal to solve the problems of others as well

2017-05-19 05:02:00 UTC

I seek to understand the cause, solution, and reasons for involvement

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