Message from @Brickiest Brick
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this works in the short term, as does all government intervention
All means of production are nationalized
And there is worker control of industry
But money and the law of value still exists
that it does
and commodity production to an extent
alright so everything is now nationalized
and people are still working and trading with money
Correct
people are still being fed well and people in the lower classes now get richer
more people overall are in a healthier state of living
socialism works in the short term
Well socialism in the broad sense and socialism in terms of marxism are different
i understand there is a difference between marxist leninist and marxism
What does this have to do with anything
what does your point have to do with anything
of course there is a difference between different socialist schools of thought
Because when we're talking about socialism it depends on what you're talking about
If it's socialism in general or marxist socialism
i'm talking about most types of socialism in general
You can't try marxist socialism
marxism is impossible to achieve
But historical examples of socialism would be anarchist catalonia, anarchist ukraine, yugoslavia, and the paris commune
Socialism in the marxist sense is lower stage communism
@Brickiest Brick Why
Also
Marxism, socialism, and communism aren't interchangable
i know
im aware of the different types
lets get back to the communism scenario
as the nationalization process continues, inflation of the currency coincides with it
this wouldn't be a problem because the communist doctrine states from each according to his ability to each according to his need
however in practice it is problematic because without competition to run the marketplace there is less incentive to produce essential resources
in a capitalist society competition leads to better quality and more accessability and coincides with the system of supply and demand
in communism it has been shown time and time again that this kind of nationalization produces shortages of the most basic resources
it just doesnt work without at least some capitalist elements
They did have basic resources
But a lack of consumer goods because they were embargoed
And in the case of the USSR, the planned economy was for the needs of the military
Which led to a lack in consumer goods