people are still being fed well and people in the lower classes now get richer

more people overall are in a healthier state of living

socialism works in the short term

Well socialism in the broad sense and socialism in terms of marxism are different

i understand there is a difference between marxist leninist and marxism

What does this have to do with anything

what does your point have to do with anything

of course there is a difference between different socialist schools of thought

Because when we're talking about socialism it depends on what you're talking about

If it's socialism in general or marxist socialism

i'm talking about most types of socialism in general

all that have been tried and all that have been attempted

You can't try marxist socialism

marxism is impossible to achieve

But historical examples of socialism would be anarchist catalonia, anarchist ukraine, yugoslavia, and the paris commune

Socialism in the marxist sense is lower stage communism

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Also

Marxism, socialism, and communism aren't interchangable

i know

im aware of the different types

lets get back to the communism scenario

as the nationalization process continues, inflation of the currency coincides with it

this wouldn't be a problem because the communist doctrine states from each according to his ability to each according to his need

however in practice it is problematic because without competition to run the marketplace there is less incentive to produce essential resources

in a capitalist society competition leads to better quality and more accessability and coincides with the system of supply and demand

in communism it has been shown time and time again that this kind of nationalization produces shortages of the most basic resources

it just doesnt work without at least some capitalist elements

They did have basic resources

But a lack of consumer goods because they were embargoed

And in the case of the USSR, the planned economy was for the needs of the military

Which led to a lack in consumer goods

the government cannot provide for all the resources of a nation

that is why the USSR and other communist nations have shortages

they constantly have to borrow from other countries

that are capitalist, mind you

until their inevitable collapse

You mean trade?

Which happens with all nations?

a nation has to be at least self-sustaining

russia during the USSR had tons of resources