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2017-11-26 07:06:38 UTC

Please educate yourself

2017-11-26 07:06:46 UTC

You have no idea what you're talking about

2017-11-26 07:07:28 UTC

the life exp. of cuba is less than 1 year above the US

2017-11-26 07:07:39 UTC

and their population is much less

2017-11-26 07:07:39 UTC

That's still more

2017-11-26 07:07:47 UTC

also demographically they are less diverse

2017-11-26 07:08:08 UTC

What does diversity have to do with this

2017-11-26 07:08:11 UTC

that is a demographics issue and it's not even very noticeable

2017-11-26 07:08:26 UTC

if this is one of your main points it isnt a very good one

2017-11-26 07:08:50 UTC

do you agree that government regulations and socialism/communism both involve government intervention?

2017-11-26 07:08:58 UTC

even though they're different

2017-11-26 07:09:20 UTC

Socialism: social ownership and democratic control of the means of production

2017-11-26 07:11:44 UTC

Socialism (in Marxism): a mode of production which has superseded capitalism and production is solely for use, the law of value is no longer present, production is coordinated through economic planning, and economic output is distributed based upon contribution

2017-11-26 07:13:35 UTC

Communism: a state of society where all means of production are commonly owned and economic output is freely distributed, emerging from advancements in the productive forces which means there is material abundance

2017-11-26 07:14:45 UTC

Marxism: economic/political theory of capitalism and class conflict

2017-11-26 07:14:57 UTC

Also technically a philosophy

2017-11-26 07:16:20 UTC

ok well the government has to be involved in order to keep this kind of society from collapsing on itself

2017-11-26 07:16:33 UTC

do you agree that government involvement is necessary for this

2017-11-26 07:16:48 UTC

How would it collapse

2017-11-26 07:17:42 UTC

without government intervention people would not be coordinated

2017-11-26 07:17:57 UTC

they would end up defaulting back to a capitalist system

2017-11-26 07:18:18 UTC

capitalist systems are inevitable in societies with no government intervention

2017-11-26 07:18:24 UTC

they just form

2017-11-26 07:18:28 UTC

human nature

2017-11-26 07:18:36 UTC

muh human nature

2017-11-26 07:18:44 UTC

thats what it is

2017-11-26 07:18:48 UTC

its not just some talking point

2017-11-26 07:19:03 UTC

your vision of communism must have government intervention to work

2017-11-26 07:19:06 UTC

Human nature isn't static, it changes based upon the structure of society

2017-11-26 07:19:10 UTC

Both on a macro and micro scale

2017-11-26 07:19:32 UTC

2000 years ago polygamy would be "human nature"

2017-11-26 07:19:42 UTC

"your vision of communism"

2017-11-26 07:19:54 UTC

You're constantly saying retarded shit and you're proving that you're uneducated

2017-11-26 07:20:22 UTC

when i say "you're" I'm obviously talking about the entire ideology

2017-11-26 07:20:41 UTC

There are no individual/unique visions of communism

2017-11-26 07:21:17 UTC

human nature, if left alone and without government intervention, tends to default to the "survivalist" attitude, choosing what's best for the individual over the community

2017-11-26 07:21:27 UTC

this can be seen all over the world

2017-11-26 07:21:27 UTC

The difference lies with the means, not the ends

2017-11-26 07:21:46 UTC

I just explained human nature

2017-11-26 07:21:57 UTC

but do you have evidence to support it

2017-11-26 07:22:02 UTC

have there been studies

2017-11-26 07:22:05 UTC

There isn't a specific code of behavior in our DNA

2017-11-26 07:22:06 UTC

whats the proof

2017-11-26 07:22:25 UTC

What's the proof that greed is inherent and not influenced by the structure of society

2017-11-26 07:23:01 UTC

there is behavior encoded into our dna from birth

2017-11-26 07:23:07 UTC

such as survival instincts

2017-11-26 07:23:26 UTC

Breathing, eating, and taking a shit

2017-11-26 07:23:31 UTC

studies have shown that people tend to share personality traits with their parents

2017-11-26 07:23:39 UTC

even if they are separated

2017-11-26 07:24:07 UTC

Can you give me proof that humans are greedy from birth

2017-11-26 07:24:30 UTC

That they are motivated by monetary incentive from birth

2017-11-26 07:24:46 UTC

here's an example

2017-11-26 07:24:59 UTC

if you were offered 1 cookie or 2 which would you take

2017-11-26 07:25:24 UTC

I want real data

2017-11-26 07:25:26 UTC

actual evidence

2017-11-26 07:25:38 UTC

Your fucking retarded cookie thing is not real data

2017-11-26 07:25:40 UTC

zero, I'm on low calorie.

2017-11-26 07:25:49 UTC

???

2017-11-26 07:25:54 UTC

hmm i see

2017-11-26 07:25:55 UTC

Oh

2017-11-26 07:26:47 UTC

and also capitalism isnt all greed

2017-11-26 07:27:02 UTC

people go into a business with a passion, not just for the money

2017-11-26 07:27:24 UTC

you would have to tell Bill Gates, the founder of the modern computer, that he made that computer just to make a profit

2017-11-26 07:27:30 UTC

Not an argument

2017-11-26 07:27:35 UTC

This has nothing to do with the point

2017-11-26 07:27:41 UTC

money is the incentive to keep going

2017-11-26 07:27:50 UTC

im explaining why your worldview is flawed

2017-11-26 07:28:04 UTC

``"To look at people in capitalist society and conclude that human nature is egoism, is like looking at people in a factory where pollution is destroying their lungs and saying that it is human nature to cough."``

2017-11-26 07:28:17 UTC

No you aren't lmao

2017-11-26 07:28:35 UTC

You have no counter argument

2017-11-26 07:28:48 UTC

would you go up to bill gates or albert einstein and tell them that what they have created was a product of personal greed?

2017-11-26 07:28:59 UTC

Einstein was a socialist

2017-11-26 07:29:11 UTC

he made lots of money in capitalist america

2017-11-26 07:29:16 UTC

This has nothing to do with the fucking point jesus

2017-11-26 07:29:18 UTC

answer the question

2017-11-26 07:29:22 UTC

just answer it

2017-11-26 07:29:27 UTC

I'm not saying they're only motivated by money

2017-11-26 07:29:31 UTC

what about steve jobs

2017-11-26 07:29:31 UTC

You're making up shit

2017-11-26 07:29:37 UTC

You're going off-topic

2017-11-26 07:29:45 UTC

but im not, this is perfectly on topic

2017-11-26 07:29:49 UTC

No it isn't

2017-11-26 07:29:52 UTC

youre just mad because it conflicts with your worldview

2017-11-26 07:29:55 UTC

Okay I'm ceasing this discussion

2017-11-26 07:29:58 UTC

You are a moron

2017-11-26 07:30:06 UTC

You are incapable of reasoning

2017-11-26 07:30:14 UTC

I looked at your youtube channel

2017-11-26 07:30:20 UTC

You sound like a low T soyboy faggot

2017-11-26 07:30:31 UTC

alright thanks for the ad-hominem

2017-11-26 07:30:41 UTC

but you keep failing to answer my questions

2017-11-26 07:30:47 UTC

i just want to converse

2017-11-26 07:30:49 UTC

You don't even know how to differenciate an insult from adhom

2017-11-26 07:30:57 UTC

Bye

2017-11-26 07:31:01 UTC

what a retard

2017-11-26 07:31:03 UTC

sir i believe those are the same thing

2017-11-26 07:31:07 UTC

you keep doing it

2017-11-26 07:31:12 UTC

this doesnt look good for your ideology

2017-11-26 07:31:15 UTC

i hope you know this

2017-11-26 07:31:22 UTC

are all people like you?

2017-11-26 07:31:41 UTC

i mean jesus no wonder communism hasnt taken off

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