Message from @Brickiest Brick

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2017-11-26 06:37:10 UTC  

Capitalism ---> Dictatorship of the proletariat ---> Socialism (lower stage communism) ---> Higher stage communism

2017-11-26 06:37:34 UTC  

what is this dictatorship of the proletariat

2017-11-26 06:37:42 UTC  

is this supposed to be the violent revolution

2017-11-26 06:37:46 UTC  

When the proletariat seizes political power

2017-11-26 06:38:06 UTC  

The USSR was DoTP until stalin

2017-11-26 06:38:45 UTC  

so yes from this point the proletariat takes power ok

2017-11-26 06:39:09 UTC  

so now they enact socialist type policies through heavier regulations and nationalizing businesses

2017-11-26 06:39:39 UTC  

this works in the short term, as does all government intervention

2017-11-26 06:39:42 UTC  

All means of production are nationalized

2017-11-26 06:39:50 UTC  

And there is worker control of industry

2017-11-26 06:40:00 UTC  

But money and the law of value still exists

2017-11-26 06:40:09 UTC  

that it does

2017-11-26 06:40:15 UTC  

and commodity production to an extent

2017-11-26 06:40:16 UTC  

alright so everything is now nationalized

2017-11-26 06:40:30 UTC  

and people are still working and trading with money

2017-11-26 06:40:37 UTC  

Correct

2017-11-26 06:40:55 UTC  

people are still being fed well and people in the lower classes now get richer

2017-11-26 06:41:08 UTC  

more people overall are in a healthier state of living

2017-11-26 06:41:15 UTC  

socialism works in the short term

2017-11-26 06:41:37 UTC  

Well socialism in the broad sense and socialism in terms of marxism are different

2017-11-26 06:42:06 UTC  

i understand there is a difference between marxist leninist and marxism

2017-11-26 06:42:34 UTC  

What does this have to do with anything

2017-11-26 06:43:17 UTC  

what does your point have to do with anything

2017-11-26 06:43:32 UTC  

of course there is a difference between different socialist schools of thought

2017-11-26 06:43:35 UTC  

Because when we're talking about socialism it depends on what you're talking about

2017-11-26 06:44:00 UTC  

If it's socialism in general or marxist socialism

2017-11-26 06:44:08 UTC  

i'm talking about most types of socialism in general

2017-11-26 06:44:22 UTC  

all that have been tried and all that have been attempted

2017-11-26 06:44:39 UTC  

You can't try marxist socialism

2017-11-26 06:45:56 UTC  

marxism is impossible to achieve

2017-11-26 06:46:03 UTC  

But historical examples of socialism would be anarchist catalonia, anarchist ukraine, yugoslavia, and the paris commune

2017-11-26 06:46:16 UTC  

Socialism in the marxist sense is lower stage communism

2017-11-26 06:46:20 UTC  
2017-11-26 06:46:21 UTC  

Also

2017-11-26 06:46:30 UTC  

Marxism, socialism, and communism aren't interchangable

2017-11-26 06:46:38 UTC  

i know

2017-11-26 06:46:44 UTC  

im aware of the different types

2017-11-26 06:46:52 UTC  

lets get back to the communism scenario

2017-11-26 06:47:15 UTC  

as the nationalization process continues, inflation of the currency coincides with it

2017-11-26 06:47:49 UTC  

this wouldn't be a problem because the communist doctrine states from each according to his ability to each according to his need

2017-11-26 06:48:48 UTC  

however in practice it is problematic because without competition to run the marketplace there is less incentive to produce essential resources