Italy is a prime example of the nationalist sweep across Europe and the EU as a whole

Maybe you two should look up and show election results and demonstrate which is correct

i have given him multiple events in which right wing parties have burs-ted on to the political map

I have. As I’ve stated, Italy and Greece subvert this narrative and French and German polling don’t show the far right exerting enough pressure to form govt

There may be an upset, but there’s no reason to believe that out of hand

No what you did was use Greece and Spain as examples of two nations with left wing governments which does nothing to refute my argument of right wing parties sweeping europe

its not a small shift in one nation or region this is a mass realignment of political believes and a reclaim of national sovereignty and tradition

hear hear

again your basing your entire argument off of polling in two countries where the media is against right wing movements all together

how is that reliable information>

Italy
Govt formed by m5 (five star) in yellow: left leaning populist
La Lega in green: right leaning regionalist

and this proves my point again. You talked about economies well Italy has the fourth largest in the EU and is seeing a massive rise in nationalist/anti establishment parties

five star and the league are just two examples of this

also The League has over 60% approval dont believe me?its all there in the national and local elections of the past decade

Portugal
Govt formed by ps in pink: social democrats
Independent in grey

again your using one nations government as an attempt to deflect my argument when all it does is strength it

by showing only governments which large opposition or left wing governments you are showing a clear bias to which side your preferring over the other

you have done nothing but reinforce my points this entire time

I’ve shown fucking five different nations at this point. Austria has a right leaning Eurosceptic, Germany is either going to remain moderate liberal conservatives or go to the socialist parties and France doesn’t have an election until 2022

right wing parties specially nationalists are rising across Europe i never stated that they where holding all seats and government in these countries but the argument your trying to make is one that would be to dispute that claim and since i never made that claim your argument holds not weight

i have also provided you with information of right wing parties rising in popularity

you still have not debunked my argument you have only made it stronger

Fun fact liberalism and left wing parties are in the decline in Germany and Macron in my opinion will not preform well in the EU elections in may Le Pen will out shine him

Your assetion that “ThE LeFT iS ColLaPsinG” ignores that m5 is a fucking left leaning party and “the left” and Euroscepticsm are not mutually exclusive. Even so, m5 has pussy footed around the eu to a huge degree

France may have elections sooner then 2022 and Germany may have new elections soon as well we will just have to see

i never stated the left was in absolute decline and had no strong position your own posts say as much

Mate, actually provide some data and we can continue this but atm your just autistically screeching

i stated left and center parties are in the decline as a generalization across the block not in every single country. This argument stems from the increase in right wing party support and over preforming in elections

So is m5 a right wing party yes or no

i have multiple times stated numbers and made solid arguments backed up with evidence

five star you mean?

i am simply discussing a serious topic and your resulting to childish attacks

i have no issue with debating you but cutting the sarcasm and attacks would help greatly

Yes. Five star is left leaning. Certainly more left leaning then centre right party that preceded it

How do you get from this an increase in right wing support?

five star is anti establishment which is why they resonated so well with the people because the people in Italy are sick of the established elites in Brussels

I agree! Would you say they’re *radical* even?

i will state as many times as i need to do so. My original argument was right wing parties are on the rise across the EU i never did say however they where dominating everywhere and had an absolute grip on power you assumed that was my argument and still are doing so now.

So while they’re election wouldn’t support the narrative “tHe LeFt is IN DeCline” it *would* support that European politics is becoming more radicalised?

I also stated centrist parties across the EU where in decline but never did i say or claim they had no holdings or support you also made the assumption that was my argument

I’ve agreed that centrist parties are being challenged by radicals on the far left and right. You persist with making this about a right thing which isn’t backed up by anything but you screeching about it

Get some data

Defending ones traditions,customs and borders is a normal human reaction. Patriosts who love their country will stand up when they face a crisis interna or external and we are seeing this wave of natonlism backlash against the EU because these people and their leaders understand the importance of defending ones nation

Awesome. You have no data, your speaking out your ass

i have stated multiple events and party's and have done so civilly and respectfully i have not resulted to insults or petty attacks and have remained focused on the topic we where discussing

what you have shown me is you cant debate civilly

Great. I’m not going to be civil if you can’t get data.

you even stated yourself "i know that which is why im telling you"

i have given numbers which you even said you knew and had seen them yourself

Hmmmm

Apparently not

i have stated elections that have happened in recent years and sighted parties that are on the rise and at every turn you have assumed my position and points and also backed up my statements but when called out reverted back to petty attacks and insults

You’ve made statements with no supporting data.

I’ve provided data

you originally started arguing with me because i mentioned stats and rising popularity from the result of elections

You’ve rejected it

and all the data did was back me up

>using wikipedia as a reliable source

^^^

agreed

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It’s better than no source at all

you used the most unreliable source

also the fact your looking back in the text proves you dont know how to defend

You keep on switching your narrative mate, does it support you? Or is it unreliable?

so your hoping to find something to support your already collapsed narrative

No, I’m hoping you’ll get some data

the numbers i have said relating to parties is the facts you also said you know it

Apparently I didn’t

Scroll up mate

my entire argument has been through the entire debate right wing parties are rising and it is creating a poltical stir in the poltical community of the EU a result

i have been arguing right wing parties rising you havent disproved it again you gave my points more credibility rather then actually disproving the

Which you’ve not bothered to find data for or demonstrate how it’s only the right, and not a radicalisation in general as I’ve asserted

i stated right wing parties are on the rise and have stated multiple events in multiple countries that show right wing parties are rising

We’ve seen right wing losses, we’ve seen left wing losses, this doesn’t speak to a right wing ascendant but a mix up in politics as more radical wings emerge

you only showed political strongholds where left wing parties currently hold the government

i never claimed no one is immune to losing elections or anything of the sort

I also spoke of Austria and Germany, both right wing and obviously the right holds Hungary

my entire argument is right wing parties have been increasing in election preform and their support is growing

Austria and Hungary being populist wings

Germany is not right with Merkel in commnd

Merkel is right leaning. She’s a conservative Christian dem

she has sold her own party out for the ideals of the leftist ans this is why her party is in collation\\ with the socialists

her polices are proof of why people across Europe have had it with immigration and open border policy

Or because the spd and cdu are both moderate parties

nations are regainign their own voice that the EU has silenced for years and the left can attempt to shake off the shift but its just the facts. Right wing parties are taking the EU by storm

spd are socalists. Merkel and her allies have gone far left which is why her support has collapsed and people want change

the political climate in Germany has never been more unpredictable then it is right now and the uncertainty and political shift comes as a direct result of the people who have for over 8 years been ignored and put in harms way for far to long and the people want change and they will fight for it

Socialists are right wing, so the socialist parties getting bigger just proves Tiron's point. Crono you're way over your head on this one.

Socialism is not right wing

although he has proved my point multiple times that i can agree with

Socialism is right wing tho.

Nazi Germany was national socialist and were right wingers.

It's in the name.

nazi germany was imperialist not right wing

natonlism is simply protecting ones country and people not invading 90% of the continent

nazi germany was an expansionist state

Lenin wrote "State and Revolution" and he was a socialist.

And a nationalist.

Socialism and nationalism are the same thing.

lenin and hilter both hijacked the principle of national sovereignty to boost their claim to power and secure support among the people to establish dictatorial control

taking over half a continent is not nationalist its imperialism

Lenin and Hitler were nationalists and imperialists.

Nationalism = imperialism = socialism

I heard Ruffia has the best trolls on this side of Pontar.

nazi germany was imperialist

after ww2 the ussr was imperialist

this isnt nationalism its imperialism

taking over half a continent is not nationalism

forcing half a continent to submit to your ideology is also not nationalism

The more nations in a country the more nationalist you are.

It's simple logic.

thats called imperialism

end of story

forcing your will and culture onto another is dictatorial

Imperialism = nationalism.

if a nation defends itself to protect their people and culture that is nationalism. Taking countries over by force and usurping foreign power is imperialism

taking over countries is imperialism imperialism literally is expanding ones national borders to encompass more territory then it originally had

@Kazimir Malevich you make a convincing point

welcome back lol

Imperialism is clearly the only true form of nationalism

nationalists need self-control

We need selfionalism

>nationalists need self control
Sounds like something a leftist would say...

Are you saying nationalism is out of control?

it isn't out of control

it's too in control

😎

All he needs to do is build the wall and people would vote for him again

Self-control is all about self-love

Nationalists intrinsically love their own kind

So why wouldn't you love yourself and be self-controlled?

operate under strict rules of own religion

You don’t want to just control your “self love” though

You’ll go blind

You want to control the love of others, too

What is up drama alert nation

Make them call your country the mother or fatherland

Bro shut up

Yes boss

See what I mean?

Capitalists will die

I mean, dont we all die eventually?

You'll die sooner

What are you gonna do to me?

Allow you to degenerate, most likely

Capitalists are just naturally losers

@Bearer Of The Curse I think we’re long past that point

nazbol gang?

nazl

bol

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does anyone know for Wilhelm Emil Mühlmann?

and does anyone has any of his books?

okay

what a big nerd

he is german nazi antropholigist

i want to read some of his works, altough they are all in german i will try to learn german maybe

good luck with that

some estimates say it takes about a year to learn the language

heyo

yo

who can help me with a partner? ^^

you can try messaging the purists, bearer of the curse, or gamer stalin

So i just did this quiz and got this as my result

https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-2.88&soc=-2.26

who wants to die? 😄

🤔

closet lolberal? hmmmm

but those tests are weird

i answered it in a way that I thought would best suit the majority

both sides have equal and valid points

but a lot of the right wing questions were a lot colder in a "our way or the highway" kinda way

where as the left questions left a bit of wiggle room

ahahahhaahahahaha

@CronoSaturn >civic nationalism

Begone cuck

@instantregret

Is it strange to care about your family more than others? -no

Is it strange to care more about your relatives than others? - no

Is it strange to care about your race than others? - no, unless white because reasons.

You know your family.

You know your relatives.

You don't know all the whiteys out there and half of those whiteys wouldn't want anything to do with you.

more than half probably

true but why the inconsistency in logic

Because race is much much more broad than family

Also I’d consider relatives a stretch. My relatives are assholes.

if i just buy your argument and claim my gentic markers of being white as worthless

Go on

why is this only applied to whitey?

I don’t

I talk about the zeitgeist

I agree. Idpol is stupid

I feel I should be free to identify and promote any group however broad or small

all politics is idpol whether race or class or even philosophical identification

You are free to do so, but that doesn't mean it's a correct way to go about things.

why is idpol currently so anti white?

in this zeitgeist

Kaz has it here. It’s like feeling an overwhelming pride for being born in January and feeling that those born in August are inferior

no

you neglify genetics gravely by that claim

And scroll up. Dw, the zeitgeist has plenty white pride worldwide to ensure that every side of the street is covered in shit

?

so you misconception or bought narrative is that white pride is equivalent to black pride?

your

It's different

no

One is white pride and the other is black pride.

I’m not negating genetics, I’m not saying traits arnt heritable but that inheritance isn’t significantly different by race, but is by family’s

“Seperate but different”

White and black pride are distinct, but both are shit

I see there are clear differences. you might share traits with a donkey but you likely (or shouldnt be ashamed of) relating more to a human

I agree but black people are not donkeys

no that was not the point of the analogy

Right but the analogy breaks down because in terms of genetics you don’t share any traits with donkeys

yes you might

Explain to me, short of some nifty gene splicing, a human is going to inherit a donkeys genetic material

Idk about you

But I don’t look at donkeys and say dat ass tho

we share i would say about 70 80%

if not more

Right as mammals, but donkeys and humans forked much earlier then humans or donkeys have existed and we’re reaching real hard here

I can form a moral community with humans

Donkeys not so much

you talked about traits and i am saying there are traits you might share with a donkey like being stubborn.

that doesnt mean you have to relate more to the donkey than humans

what kind of 4D philosophy is this?

It is far more than the skincolor that differwntiate blacky from whitey

You can't have a dialogue with a donkey.

differntiate

I can fuck humans and reproduce, I can’t do the same with a donkey and stubbornness is not the same trait between donkeys and humans on a genetic level, you brain chemistry and neurons are different. Not so with whitey and blackey

A dialogue is necessary in creating interpersonal human relations and a state.

Like all the african empires? :)

Nice shifting of the topic.

What like Carthage, Mali, the moors...?

Those African empires?

yeah hahha carthage

so black

We said African