i have discussed multiple events you know what i said dont act like you missed it

election results do back me and they are not claims its simply stating the fact

I didn’t say polling is fact, i said it’s representative and broadly predictive, which it is. I’ve showed that election results don’t demonstrate your assertions which you’ve rejected

And which election results, Spain where the socialists hold government?

Some loss for the left

right wing parties are rising across europe your argument against it was two countries that have left wing governments. You had no counter argument for any other nation that i mentioned prior to that

again your using one countrys government as your defense

i never said they where holding all countries so your using two nations as what?there is no point to use them since it doesnt make a counter to anything i said

Except I did as I said earlier far right and far left parties have been growing in lock step and even forming coalitions, as is the Italian case

far left parties have been declining and centrists parties are also taking the hit as well

Italy is a prime example of the nationalist sweep across Europe and the EU as a whole

Maybe you two should look up and show election results and demonstrate which is correct

i have given him multiple events in which right wing parties have burs-ted on to the political map

I have. As I’ve stated, Italy and Greece subvert this narrative and French and German polling don’t show the far right exerting enough pressure to form govt

There may be an upset, but there’s no reason to believe that out of hand

No what you did was use Greece and Spain as examples of two nations with left wing governments which does nothing to refute my argument of right wing parties sweeping europe

its not a small shift in one nation or region this is a mass realignment of political believes and a reclaim of national sovereignty and tradition

hear hear

again your basing your entire argument off of polling in two countries where the media is against right wing movements all together

how is that reliable information>

Italy
Govt formed by m5 (five star) in yellow: left leaning populist
La Lega in green: right leaning regionalist

and this proves my point again. You talked about economies well Italy has the fourth largest in the EU and is seeing a massive rise in nationalist/anti establishment parties

five star and the league are just two examples of this

also The League has over 60% approval dont believe me?its all there in the national and local elections of the past decade

Portugal
Govt formed by ps in pink: social democrats
Independent in grey

again your using one nations government as an attempt to deflect my argument when all it does is strength it

by showing only governments which large opposition or left wing governments you are showing a clear bias to which side your preferring over the other

you have done nothing but reinforce my points this entire time

I’ve shown fucking five different nations at this point. Austria has a right leaning Eurosceptic, Germany is either going to remain moderate liberal conservatives or go to the socialist parties and France doesn’t have an election until 2022

right wing parties specially nationalists are rising across Europe i never stated that they where holding all seats and government in these countries but the argument your trying to make is one that would be to dispute that claim and since i never made that claim your argument holds not weight

i have also provided you with information of right wing parties rising in popularity

you still have not debunked my argument you have only made it stronger

Fun fact liberalism and left wing parties are in the decline in Germany and Macron in my opinion will not preform well in the EU elections in may Le Pen will out shine him

Your assetion that “ThE LeFT iS ColLaPsinG” ignores that m5 is a fucking left leaning party and “the left” and Euroscepticsm are not mutually exclusive. Even so, m5 has pussy footed around the eu to a huge degree

France may have elections sooner then 2022 and Germany may have new elections soon as well we will just have to see

i never stated the left was in absolute decline and had no strong position your own posts say as much

Mate, actually provide some data and we can continue this but atm your just autistically screeching

i stated left and center parties are in the decline as a generalization across the block not in every single country. This argument stems from the increase in right wing party support and over preforming in elections

So is m5 a right wing party yes or no

i have multiple times stated numbers and made solid arguments backed up with evidence