scary

ik about the bunnyman

oh my god this christian last night has me rolling on the floor laughing by bringing the slapstick out of JF

Makes me want to re-watch the Dyer debate.

christianity is very slapstick

anyone who will take the creationist side of a debate is either extremely gullible or a brainlet

i m a creationist

we r in a simulation

interesting

I believe in evolution in the non Darwinist sense and intelligent design

If you want to believe in a single consciousness as the origin of the universe, I don't see how that contradicts the theory of evolution.

i feel like the guy debating JF in that evolution debate was always super angry

Yeah, he was.

maybe thats just the boomer default

i missed the end of that episode im listening now

Nothing wrong with being angry though.

Y’all should read dis buuk

"how did you determine that dependent facts dont stand in causal relations to god as the origin?"

lol

Intelligent design? What about Jews?

what kind of question is that

"you basically stated that facts dont require referencing god"

lol this idiot fucking christcuck

doesnt understand basics of scientific method

If we can all agree on one thing, 7 day Creationists, evangelicals/Protestantism ruined Christianity <:smugooze:398100987866251265>

that guys is an asshole

its like talking to someone 25IQ and he keeps saying JF doesnt understand him

lol

utter brainlet

"i didn't ask you what you saw"

You can't prove that God isn't Jewish.

yup

This guy doesnt understand science at all

just an utter brainlet

he's basically asking questions like "are you a blambablerf"

and jf tries to explain the rational way of evaluating the world and thinking about it

@Bee you can't ruin something that was never good.

lol

Darth Dawkins is an utter brainlet

this is literal comedy

I doubt Dawkins would pick Sith

i thought jay dyer was bad, this guy is like jay dyer with 1/3 the IQ

and 3x as angry

You don't pick Sith. Sith picks you.

Dawkins would be grey Jedi, I assume

In the Star Wars world, the Jedi are anti nature hippie psychopaths.

this guy is like the worst debater ever

you cant debate just asking questions like you're playing 20 questions

then force peopel to answer yes or no to nonsensical questions

I wonder if the jedi also have tunnels under the schools where they hide younglings

His entire argument rested on the belief in God.

They couldn't even get to the evolution part of the debate.

hes the perfect embodiness of what i despise about hardcore christians

even the questions he ask are based implicitly on his religious worldview

does god have red hair?

can you answer yes or no to that

its a nonsense question if you dont accept god

in science we speak of hypotheses, and we falsify them

Jedis were non reproductive entities that wanted to suppress all human feeling.

god's bald

we NEVER speak of universal truths

in logic some statements are neither true or false

some are indeterminate, some are true but unprovably so

Explain an unprovable truth
It seems universalistic to me

You can look up Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem, Godel sentence, Tarski's undefinability theorem, and Turing and Church's work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Truth_of_the_G%C3%B6del_sentence

Hmm
Thanks

basically you can create statements so complex they cant be proven true or false, ever

but they can nevertheless definitely be true or false

the thing is,
it is within the real of possibility that there is a creator god, who "started the machine" essentially flicked a switch and lit the big bang, let the universe unroll etc..
That still doesn't mean that the christian god is the one who did it..
Cthulhu is as probably as yahweh

Right

and if god exists and created the universe, then evolution could be his mechanism for creation

i dont see a necessary contradiction

These concepts are all closely related, Russell's set paradox, Richard's paradox, liar's paradox.

if you can have logical paradoxes, you can have unprovably true statements.

It's also mathematically equivalent to the halting problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem)

The halting problem means, if you have the code for a program, can you guarantee if it will finish in finite time or run forever

And Turing proved its not possible.

These problems are beautiful because theyre all the same problem seen a different way

a logical symmetry if you will

ConvertEveryoneToIslam.exe

that programwill finish in finite time

with the death of the human race

Infidel

Convert2Islam(*this)

The thing with arguing the existence of god is that god doesn’t physically exist on the material plane.
It’s basically trying to use empirical means to prove the ephemeral

right just debating gods existence is pointless

Or let me rephrase, he doesn’t exist in material plane, so using material means to prove god’s existence is useless

Right

It’s so 2007 lol

Imagine still debating atheism vs theism in 2019

you can debate, is there any evidence of god's actions that show we can't exclude the hypothesis of god's existence

JF nailed it on universality, these logic-cucks dont even understand logic

The Eternal Boomer

My degrees are all in Math, and i view these religious philosophers as brainlets in a place they dont belong

"ooooh you know the excluded middle"

Logos

do you know that's one part of de-morgan's laws

do you know there's other formulations of logic such as three value church logic?

they know nothing

Do you think logic can be used to try to prove god’s existence?

pure logic by itself? no. could we use logic to evaluate evidence and reason that it's highly consistent with god's existence, absolutely.

Interesting

the problem for religious people is that no such evidence has ever been found

Depends on what the evidence is, or definition

there's no observed phenomena for which god is the only or even the best explanation

and in fact most of our best scientific theories would preclude the traditional notions of god.

You mean as in a universal definition or experience of god?

Whatever happened to the concept of faith? I guess it died with the enlightenment

well for example, an omniscient god is incompatible with quantum mechanics.

Yeah enlightenment fucked us up pretty good lol

🤔

What about string theory

the no cloning theorem means its impossible to copy a quantum state, which means you cannot observe a quantum state and know its value without changing it

so omniscience is impossible

🤔

the no cloning theorem is based on the most basic elements of linear algebra and quantum Hamiltonian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem#Theorem_and_proof

the entire reason classical reality exists and winds up smeared out and fuzzy is because you can't copy quantum states, you can only approximate them via statistics

ha!
you just need a Heisenberg compensator..

lol yeah

come on, that's like, day 1 in star fleet

that and self sealing stembolts.

is there anything those things can't do!?

> tfw I’m just a brainlet and know nothing of quantum mechanics etc <:horrified:603092309307031560>

^

Well it took me many years to learn all this stuff, and I started with advanced understanding of mathematics already

But to me its most satisfying to base my philosophy around experimentally observed science, not head in the clouds writings from 200 years ago.

Yeah I’m not really a math guy either, though I could probably get more into it.
I’m more of an ideas/humanities type of guy

QM >>DESTROYS<< our concept of time and causality

It also destroyed our morality also 😎

My mom was a mathematician

so I had no chance.

Smaht

My dad an aerospace engineer/programmer

Oooo

so stem is in the blood

Does she live in one of “those famous places” which deal with rockets?

humanities is fun great stories there

My dad actually worked on the Hexagon spy satellites and other stuff like that

for the NSA

even if you don't know much about math, physics, philosophy etc..
there are a lot of "unknowns" even today but,
all the gaps that used to be unknowns in the past and were thought to be because of a god,
many of those can now be explained, at least in part, without using the god explanation..

so it's easy to see that the gaps that are unknowns today will be filled tomorrow without using the god explanation.
just give it time.

Ooo

And for Lockheed

Those type of places

Ah. Any in the rocket city?

Nah we live in SF area

they dont launch anything here

Ew lol

JPL and vandenburg is in socal

they do some launches there

you can only launch someplace with a wasteland to the east

in case of crashes

Have you stepped on any needles lol

since most efficient orbital trajectory is to the east due to the earths spin

No never

I live in the nice suburbs

I go into city sometimes but usually only the good parts

I also know that because I've played Kerbal Space Program 😉

FUCK YES

lets talk about that game sometime

Yeah I think I’ll never step a foot in San Fran

im a fanatic about that game

yeah, me too

I love the Tsolkovsky rocket equation

make spreadsheets to compute my own delta v

they're coming out with a 2

with multiplayer

i heard, right now its just a concept trailer

space satellites look like viruses

i would love it if the game could have lagrange points

but i recognize thats not trivial

i play kerbal

welcome

yeah, Scott Manley is pretty cool.
say.. you said you live in the Bay area? :p

kerbal is the most intellectual game

my mom was a mathematician too

Never met Scott Manley i know he lives here too

how much hair do yo have?

Haha

I still have most of mine

fly safe

have u been to space?

nice sealander

on your mom

never been to space, but my dad does have some souvenirs of satellite parts

they never flew though

i will go to space

im less excited about it than i was when i was younger

it's possible, that the children born today, will go to space the same way we fly to Paris

before i would have left everything behind to go live on mars

happy diwali

i mean part of it depends on your definition of space

like if they come out with suborbital trajectories as super fast commuter travel does that count as space

And when you were a kid you weren't aware that you were living in a future multiracial shithole that won't be able to get to space

in my mind, to really be in space, you need to be in orbit

suborbital doesnt count

sadly i was aware of this shit even as a kid

Tsolkovsky never got to work on rockets that made it into orbit.
He missed the beginnings of orbit-capable rocket tech by a bit.

well, young teenager, i redpilled myself by like 15

well, I guess if the suborbital arc is long enough, I would consider that to be in space

i m not redpilled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJs9RIuOLWQ&feature=youtu.be

i wouldnt

I can’t wait when atomic heart comes out

i think to be in space, you need to be staying in space unless you take actions

so you need to be in orbit

@fuguer how old are u

@deleted account Your parents were redpilled on India, which is why they don't live in India

okay racist

early 40s

yeah but in your local area, in the space-plane, you would have the feeling of being in orbit

finnmark

yeah but if you just want to call space microgravity you can get that without going to space

jump out an airplane

why even fly in planes?

That man who base jumped from "space"
Not technically correct, still amazing

any inertial geodesic trajectory is going to experience zero g

its degenerate

yeah i dont like the idea that, oooh ok 20k height is now space

space to me means orbit at minimum.

esp for frivolous reasons most do

Get this into a voice chat

"fed"

my wife will yell at me if i voicechat

hes banned

whenever i sound happy she gets upset

Oh

21.7km
His free fall time was 4m 37s <:soyboy:421747339167006724>

shit i was that close with my 20k figure

damn

good on me

Imagine terminal velocity for over 4 minutes
Amazing

even more amazing if you understand general relativity

and what that means

gravity blows my mind

that him falling is actually a straight line

in curved spacetime

its really spacetime that is curved

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PW0EyfdADc (:

he should have been wearing an atomic watch to see if there would be a time difference once he got back on earth

definitely is

its like 0.0s on a second

but there is one

I should check the flight path
See how much he drifted

the GR part is easy to remember.... time dilation is equivalent to lorentz transform of the escape velocity fior the massive object

which is why you can see time stops at event horizon where escape velocity is zero