right just debating gods existence is pointless

Or let me rephrase, he doesn’t exist in material plane, so using material means to prove god’s existence is useless

Right

It’s so 2007 lol

Imagine still debating atheism vs theism in 2019

you can debate, is there any evidence of god's actions that show we can't exclude the hypothesis of god's existence

JF nailed it on universality, these logic-cucks dont even understand logic

The Eternal Boomer

My degrees are all in Math, and i view these religious philosophers as brainlets in a place they dont belong

"ooooh you know the excluded middle"

Logos

do you know that's one part of de-morgan's laws

do you know there's other formulations of logic such as three value church logic?

they know nothing

Do you think logic can be used to try to prove god’s existence?

pure logic by itself? no. could we use logic to evaluate evidence and reason that it's highly consistent with god's existence, absolutely.

Interesting

the problem for religious people is that no such evidence has ever been found

Depends on what the evidence is, or definition

there's no observed phenomena for which god is the only or even the best explanation

and in fact most of our best scientific theories would preclude the traditional notions of god.

You mean as in a universal definition or experience of god?

Whatever happened to the concept of faith? I guess it died with the enlightenment

well for example, an omniscient god is incompatible with quantum mechanics.

Yeah enlightenment fucked us up pretty good lol

🤔

What about string theory

the no cloning theorem means its impossible to copy a quantum state, which means you cannot observe a quantum state and know its value without changing it

so omniscience is impossible

🤔

the no cloning theorem is based on the most basic elements of linear algebra and quantum Hamiltonian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem#Theorem_and_proof

the entire reason classical reality exists and winds up smeared out and fuzzy is because you can't copy quantum states, you can only approximate them via statistics

ha!
you just need a Heisenberg compensator..

lol yeah

come on, that's like, day 1 in star fleet

that and self sealing stembolts.

is there anything those things can't do!?

> tfw I’m just a brainlet and know nothing of quantum mechanics etc <:horrified:603092309307031560>

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