Message from @fuguer

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2019-10-28 08:53:08 UTC  

Logos

2019-10-28 08:53:09 UTC  

do you know that's one part of de-morgan's laws

2019-10-28 08:53:22 UTC  

do you know there's other formulations of logic such as three value church logic?

2019-10-28 08:53:31 UTC  

they know nothing

2019-10-28 08:53:40 UTC  

Do you think logic can be used to try to prove god’s existence?

2019-10-28 08:54:18 UTC  

pure logic by itself? no. could we use logic to evaluate evidence and reason that it's highly consistent with god's existence, absolutely.

2019-10-28 08:54:28 UTC  

Interesting

2019-10-28 08:54:37 UTC  

the problem for religious people is that no such evidence has ever been found

2019-10-28 08:55:00 UTC  

Depends on what the evidence is, or definition

2019-10-28 08:55:22 UTC  

there's no observed phenomena for which god is the only or even the best explanation

2019-10-28 08:55:45 UTC  

and in fact most of our best scientific theories would preclude the traditional notions of god.

2019-10-28 08:56:13 UTC  

You mean as in a universal definition or experience of god?

2019-10-28 08:56:27 UTC  

Whatever happened to the concept of faith? I guess it died with the enlightenment

2019-10-28 08:56:48 UTC  

well for example, an omniscient god is incompatible with quantum mechanics.

2019-10-28 08:56:49 UTC  

Yeah enlightenment fucked us up pretty good lol

2019-10-28 08:56:54 UTC  

🤔

2019-10-28 08:57:13 UTC  

What about string theory

2019-10-28 08:57:15 UTC  

the no cloning theorem means its impossible to copy a quantum state, which means you cannot observe a quantum state and know its value without changing it

2019-10-28 08:57:25 UTC  

so omniscience is impossible

2019-10-28 08:57:26 UTC  

🤔

2019-10-28 08:58:21 UTC  

the no cloning theorem is based on the most basic elements of linear algebra and quantum Hamiltonian

2019-10-28 08:59:46 UTC  

the entire reason classical reality exists and winds up smeared out and fuzzy is because you can't copy quantum states, you can only approximate them via statistics

2019-10-28 09:00:12 UTC  

ha!
you just need a Heisenberg compensator..

2019-10-28 09:00:21 UTC  

lol yeah

2019-10-28 09:00:30 UTC  

come on, that's like, day 1 in star fleet

2019-10-28 09:00:38 UTC  

that and self sealing stembolts.

2019-10-28 09:00:55 UTC  

is there anything those things can't do!?

2019-10-28 09:01:04 UTC  

> tfw I’m just a brainlet and know nothing of quantum mechanics etc <:horrified:603092309307031560>

2019-10-28 09:01:13 UTC  

^

2019-10-28 09:01:24 UTC  

Well it took me many years to learn all this stuff, and I started with advanced understanding of mathematics already

2019-10-28 09:02:14 UTC  

But to me its most satisfying to base my philosophy around experimentally observed science, not head in the clouds writings from 200 years ago.

2019-10-28 09:02:25 UTC  

Yeah I’m not really a math guy either, though I could probably get more into it.
I’m more of an ideas/humanities type of guy

2019-10-28 09:02:25 UTC  

QM >>DESTROYS<< our concept of time and causality

2019-10-28 09:02:49 UTC  

It also destroyed our morality also 😎

2019-10-28 09:02:52 UTC  

My mom was a mathematician

2019-10-28 09:02:57 UTC  

so I had no chance.

2019-10-28 09:03:04 UTC  

Smaht

2019-10-28 09:03:25 UTC  

My dad an aerospace engineer/programmer

2019-10-28 09:03:31 UTC  

Oooo

2019-10-28 09:03:34 UTC  

so stem is in the blood