#tir (Discord ID: 393247992939020288) in Literature Club, page 2

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2018-12-29 02:19:48 UTC


2018-12-29 02:20:28 UTC

he was a viking of finnish background that united a lot of slavs and founded Rus'

2018-12-29 02:20:57 UTC

his descendants would rule russia until the death of Ivan IV "The Terrible"

2018-12-29 02:21:50 UTC

Ok. Ivan was the first Czar, so he was of Viking decent? I though Ivan was the beginning of a new era in Russian rule and culture...?

2018-12-29 02:22:11 UTC

I've got some learning to do.

2018-12-29 02:22:28 UTC

russians are a mixture of a lot of different peoples, just like americans

2018-12-29 02:23:04 UTC

slavs are the main group, but they have a lot of finnic and ugrian ancestry, with a sprinkling of tatar and german

2018-12-29 02:23:18 UTC

That's my very elementary understanding. I was just under the impression Ivan was the beginning and not the end of an era

2018-12-29 02:23:36 UTC

in a lot of ways he was

2018-12-29 02:23:47 UTC

he was both...?

2018-12-29 02:23:51 UTC


2018-12-29 02:23:52 UTC

can you calrify?

2018-12-29 02:23:56 UTC


2018-12-29 02:24:05 UTC

probably a lot to clarify, haha

2018-12-29 02:24:21 UTC

don't mean to ask for a history lesson haha

2018-12-29 02:24:29 UTC

no problem

2018-12-29 02:25:15 UTC

after mongols destroyed kiev and a lot of principalities, base of russian civilization shifted north of the forest line to places where nomadic hordes were less capable of attacking

2018-12-29 02:25:55 UTC

moscow was a very loyal servant of the mongols, and gained a lot in power and wealth relatively during that time

2018-12-29 02:26:29 UTC

by the 15th century, the mongols were destroying themselves through fighting between descendants of genghis khan and new warlords

2018-12-29 02:26:42 UTC

so moscow was able to retake a lot of territory that had been lost

2018-12-29 02:27:08 UTC

a lot of the various principalities had their own identities at that time, and regularly rebelled against moscow

2018-12-29 02:28:29 UTC

Ivan IV is pretty famous for sacking novgorod, a major city that had its own identity, and he played an even larger role in his grandfather Ivan III in promoting russian identity in the territories he controlled

2018-12-29 02:28:57 UTC

as time went on, the various principalities gradually lost their identities and became russians

2018-12-29 02:29:57 UTC

however certain places like galicia and volhynia remained outside of russian control until 1945, and never adopted a russian identity, and instead kept their old identities as part of the old principalities. These identities became the modern ukrainian identity

2018-12-29 02:32:16 UTC

so Ivan IV was part of a broader trend of centralization and russification that continued until 1917, but was exceptionally good at it

2018-12-29 02:32:42 UTC

but he was still part of the old system in a lot of ways

2018-12-29 02:32:47 UTC

hope that makes sense

2018-12-29 02:35:11 UTC

Good introduction for sure. Let me know what you think of the book. Saw a cheap version (used) on amazon, how much did you pay? And how did you stumble on or rather settle on this book? Via interweb wormhole?

2018-12-29 03:05:14 UTC

I think I was searching for medieval russian history on Amazon

2018-12-29 03:05:25 UTC

it was $38 for kindle edition iirc

2018-12-29 03:06:37 UTC

found a cheap used paperback. let me know how you like it. i'll probably pick it up regardless.

2018-12-29 03:10:40 UTC

will do

2018-12-31 22:02:12 UTC

@Mick I read a pretty good synthesis of Russian history from the Kievan Rus all the way to Putin a couple years ago. Next time I’m near it, I’ll send you a pic of the cover. I read it with almost now background info though, so if you know a lot about Russian history, you might not be a big fan

2019-01-01 07:01:16 UTC

I don't know much at all really. Very basic fun fact level.

2019-01-01 07:03:58 UTC

So yeah, if you can recall or find the book and let me know, that'd be great.

2019-01-01 07:04:35 UTC

this medieval russia book is pretty good so far

2019-01-01 07:05:38 UTC

Gonna buy it in a batch of books soon here probably. Hopefully @Tron can remember what book he's talking about so I can get that too.

2019-01-02 04:34:26 UTC

@Tron Greg was really on fire the last half of 2018. Looking forward to his new collection.

2019-01-02 19:30:30 UTC

Almost finished with The Strange Death of Europe audiobook. It was great. starting on Ship of Fools.

2019-01-05 05:03:39 UTC


2019-01-05 05:03:44 UTC

might have sounded better with "identitarian" than "white nationalist", but you get the point

2019-01-05 05:06:11 UTC

@Jacob that page from the white nationalist manifesto?

2019-01-05 05:09:06 UTC


2019-01-05 05:09:28 UTC

@Jacob did you know that Mufon the UFO people have a lobbyist in DC? How sad is it that white people cant have a lobby.

2019-01-05 05:09:44 UTC

page 126 @lonewolf19d

2019-01-05 05:11:08 UTC

@Nerv - VA lmao post this in general on the main server and I'll tell you something that reminds me of

2019-01-05 05:11:43 UTC

Haha. I think people think I’m weird as it is.

2019-01-05 05:11:50 UTC

I’ll do it.

2019-01-05 05:24:01 UTC

Good paragraph from Why We Fight


2019-01-12 08:20:09 UTC

@Nemets Did you get the first or second edition (Medieval Russia)? Wondering how much it matters since I found a cheap version of the first edition.

2019-01-12 08:22:33 UTC

bought the first ed. anyway, just wondering...

2019-01-12 16:16:31 UTC

@Mick 2nd. Shouldn’t be too many differences though

2019-01-13 23:45:43 UTC

@Nemets I figured. It'll be nice to have some decent background knowledge on the region, just to better understand contemporary Russia both domestically and how it interacts with the US and the rest of the world.

2019-01-18 23:11:28 UTC

I can’t recommend this book enough. Heard is 100 percent /ourguy/ and has great direction for the book. It’s a potential bridge for normies with tons of points that’ll get the noggin joggin.
The deconstruction and inversion of art was one of the first major attacks on the west. Modern art has been bleeding out our culture for over a century and it goes largely unaddressed. The book points out the who and the how. Plus, why traditional art was so crucial to the west.
Check it out.


2019-01-18 23:15:00 UTC

Here are a few tir excepts



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2019-01-18 23:23:14 UTC

Aaand discord puts the images in the reverse order that they were selected 😡

2019-01-18 23:37:33 UTC


2019-01-18 23:40:06 UTC

I would recommend roger scruton's 'why beauty matters' if you haven't seen it. Essentially the same topic.

2019-01-18 23:40:46 UTC

I got it for $0.50 at a thrift store. Would it be worth giving it a quick read?

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2019-01-18 23:41:39 UTC

Oh I was talking about the documentary

2019-01-18 23:41:55 UTC

Oh, ok

2019-01-18 23:43:35 UTC

I’ve actually had people recommend that book to me, and I’m only just realizing I’ve seen the documentary for it on YouTube. It’s worth a watch.

2019-01-20 05:37:13 UTC

^ whoops that can’t be right. The book “why beauty matters” is deconstructionist propaganda. In that case, I can’t remember this book recommendation. It’s not “the painted word” by Tom Wolfe, although that’s another good one if people like the decline and fall.

2019-01-29 16:55:32 UTC

Tom Wolfe’s The Painted Word. Nothing you guys don’t know here, he just breaks down one way so few can guide so many.



2019-02-08 06:14:57 UTC


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2019-02-08 06:15:41 UTC

From "African Population Projections: 1850-1960" by Patrick Manning

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2019-02-11 00:47:41 UTC

A few decades after their arrival, endogamous Sogdian merchants were already receiving privileges from the Chinese government and replacing Chinese culture with their own.

2019-02-13 19:19:49 UTC

@Evan thanks for the two recommendations, I'm ordering on Amazon later today

2019-02-13 19:31:35 UTC

You got it Mikolas. They’re good reads.

2019-02-15 22:05:43 UTC

Also this is a good, generally bigger brained podcast that touches on some interesting topics—sponsored by Arktos

2019-02-21 04:40:07 UTC


2019-02-21 04:41:39 UTC

Damn we are way higher 25-45 years of age, males that is. I wouldn’t have thought it would be that long

2019-02-21 04:42:24 UTC

What book is this

2019-02-21 04:42:30 UTC

25 makes sense, but not really 45. Thats interesting

2019-02-21 04:42:47 UTC

Book is The Social Leap by William Von Hippel

2019-02-21 04:43:00 UTC

He's a liberal but awesome psychologist

2019-02-21 04:44:13 UTC

His description of young males fails to recognize that men are more likely to risk for glory, die in wars, pursue dangerous careers thus having more "accidents."

2019-02-21 04:45:20 UTC

Ya it’s definitely multi variable. We do it cause we have a higher reproductive output than women right? Women don’t benefit from a status and risk taking in a reproductive sense than men would

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2019-02-23 23:16:44 UTC

"Because chimps are brainier than baboons, they take longer to reach adulthood, and their slower maturation rate means they demand more maternal care. As a consequence, chimps have an older age of initial reproduction and lower rate of reproduction than baboons."

2019-02-23 23:16:56 UTC

🤔 🤔 🤔

2019-02-23 23:39:55 UTC

Whatchya thinking about it?

2019-02-23 23:40:16 UTC

Just interesting?

2019-02-24 00:17:24 UTC

I'm thinking this theory is applicable to our own species. I find nature's consistency to be satisfying.

2019-02-24 01:18:10 UTC

I’m fairly certain average gestation period of blacks is shorter than whites

2019-02-24 01:18:23 UTC

Not finding good resources atm

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2019-02-24 03:08:52 UTC

Ah there ya go

2019-02-24 04:27:39 UTC

Asians are pretty fascinating. I need to learn more about them and their evolutionary past

2019-02-24 04:28:09 UTC

Like I’m not super informed but apparently they are in general, and especially the Chinese insanely conformist

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