there is the, you are the all group and god is all group

or the occasional "lol dumb"

i am for the second

```Histological, immunological and biochemiccal studies on the flesh and blood of the eucharistic miracle of Lanciano (8th century)```

That's the name of the study

do you have a link to it?

im not finding it

does this paper even exist?

It's on pubmed

Just Google it

Copy and paste it

It's on literally every site that hosts studies

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4950729

this is literally all i can see

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ive looked at like 100 sources and i can't find this paper on a single one

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/ssi07part8.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjI4NOY3p3mAhUFS60KHTqnCA0QFjAFegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1ZyxdUmtyrHmUOUj3QD24o&cshid=1575522814906

Is this it?

Addie has the right one

From Quaderni Sclavo di diagnostica clinica e di laboratorio

So i did more reaserch on this "miracle"

Apparently it took place in 700 AD

but the first mentions of it were in the 1600s

which is pretty strange

The first studies on it were in the 1600s

But that's not the part of the miracle that we are trying to prove in a lab

We have others that have eye witnesses and such too, but this specific miracle has lasted over a millenia, yet it's blood contents are those of someone who's blood is still beating, it's fresh.

Despite being exposed to decomposition

The flesh is real flesh, the blood type is that of the Shroud of Turin, aka a Jewish man

The studies in the 1600s showed that the clots defied normal physics in that the larger ones were weighed the same as the smaller, if I remember correctly

Similar miracles show that the white blood cell count remain fresh, which is impossible

what the fuck? Did you say that its *beating* and defies physics?

yea im calling bullshit

I didn't

I'm saying it has the blood composition of a heart that is still beating

The heart itself is coagulated

I don't see where you could have gotten confused in all of that

this will sound stupid but how do i open it?

the shroud spectrum opened up fine but this one doesnt seem easy

you probably have to sign in

nvm you have to click send to

this is it/

?

the link is just a citation

http://www.mediafire.com/file/2j2j8qalrmcrlb4/Lanciano_Article_16-45-35.pdf/file
that's a link to the study itself, though it's in italian

i fell asleep

anywho, there is very little on this guy and his "research". So far the only mentions i can find of him are on catholics websites

and it doesnt seem like his research was even peer reviewed

so i'm pretty confident in dismissing it

btw, Im pretty sure the "shroud of turin" blood test was fraudulent

The evidence against the shroud vastly outweights the evidence for its authenticity

Even if it were an actual burial cloth from the time of Jesus, there is no way to confirm that it actually *belonged* to Jesus

But here is the crazy part

Even if I were to agree that it belonged to Jesus, it *still doesnt mean he is the son of God

(i bring this up because Eoppa said the blood type of the mystery meat matched the blood found on the shroud of turin)

@Riley what do you think about the theory that jesus actually lived in 1000ad

i think u r gay and u suck on pee pee and eat poo poo

Fuck

Why is the nword banned

@Riley at least I'm not a tranny

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ok poopoo eater

@everyone Daily Question 🔖

**-** What should the income tax be for the rich, middle class, poor, and ultra rich? Or are you in favor of flat tax - if progressive tax how steep should the slope be?

Negative income tax

Nuff said

Remove income tax

Replace it with high tariffs

^

flexible tax; tax professions differently e.g. farmers get a tax reduction, decrease taxes for the middle class and poor and increase the tax rate onto the top 10%, 1% and 1/10% respectively

if the economy was reset, a 10% flat rate tax on all commercial trades would be more than enough to sustain the economy. Income tax is bad as it penalizes the poorer population for being poor and the rich benefit since they don't lose as much.

<:ben:588490784576110593>

Change my mind

White women started the mafia

Also 100% tax on income that exceeds 10 million for every dollar after 10 million

some kind of wealth cap would be preferable

Also farmers, loggers etc get a tax reduction, aswell as other vital first and secondary jobs such as energy sector jobs that require manual labor

yeh the tax system should steer the country towards autarky

Is that a bad thing? Frankly free trade has only hurt the bottom half, we need to be more self sufficient and incentivize our jobs at home

Also decreases our foreign debt rate

autarky is a good thing, free trade has failed to deliver what it promised

90% marginal tax rate

For highest wage earners

U.S has 90% marginal tax rate for top wage earners in the 40's and 50's

Tariffs>income tax

100% flat tax

The rich rely on free trade

Also eliminate VAT taxes

They negatively effect the poor and middle class

Tax on petrol aswell get rid of, only hurts the poor, however incentivize carbon free energy subsidies and phase out carbon fuels in a decade or so

Tax on the top 1% and 1/10 will pay for these tax reductions

Also tax on stock speculation and bonds would help to cover for welfare programs

Id rather ban AI in wallstreet than put a tax on every single transaction in the market

The rich should be abolished

Eat the rich

eat the rich jews

Or just the rich in general.

**especially landlords**

@Riley it was peer reviewed, and you completely ignore what I claim the lab was testing about the miracle

idk, you would think something like this would have a lot more attention lol

im super skeptical

It did

These happen all the time

We have plenty of verified miracles

The Egyptian government (who isn't even Christian) literally recognizes the Zeitoun apparition

Which we have photos of

Nasser himself reportedly saw it

And he was as secular as they come

Hm

@everyone Daily Question 🔖

- How should education be controlled? Should it be only national standards, state standards, localized standards, a mix, privatized, chartered, etc etc. Include your view on vouchers

Remove private subsidies of the school system

And increase spending

it should be run on state standards, however the federal government should have significant control over the curriculum.

Nationalize standards, nationalize powerful private education institutions like College Board and ACT

National standard, while I am usually a fan of state autonomy when it comes to education from what I’ve seen it usually leads to disaster.
Privatized schools can have a place but they should be under strict state supervision and need to certify that they are not falling under the state standard

Combination of National State Local. Primarily public with private school options not funded by the government.

I need to learn more on how any of these work and what are the pros and cons from each kind. Thus I'm uncertain.

I also need to know what exactly is common core and why was that bad.

Educational reform on compulsory education while also creating a unified national
framework, national standards, core curriculum, and guidelines for schools to follow, will give
success and prosperity for the nation. Schools nationwide will now be directly controlled by the
federal state no longer allowing for slight regional differences in educational approach. I wish for a
more classical education system of Trivium & Quadrivium expanding to practical skills in high
school (shop class, auto repair, home-ec, etc). Mandatory Phys Ed based on fitness training
then mandatory extracurricular exercise after school (sports, boxing, etc). A higher starting
salary for Teachers at $55,000. Teachers should also wear a uniform like any other public
servant. Decorations of academic achievements should illuminate their chest as a visual display
of a teacher's services. Teachers should receive raises or pay deductions based on the
performance of student academic achievements. Homeschooling and parochial schools will be
allowed for families and communities that desire to educate their children in that manner. A propose a complete overhaul of the entire education system controlled by the Federal state so an
emphasis on history, national identity, and comradeship that the national community provides. The old college system will be dismantled completely for we want higher affordable education
thus we will implement a new national system of affordable higher education based on the guild
system providing low-cost vocational education, trade schools, specialized colleges including
domestic industry and manufacturing trade schools creating low-cost higher education. Forgive all current student debt.

@Zoltanous What was wrong with the states controlling education? Wouldn't that lead to less teaching of the state's history and erosion of state and local cultures?

I don't like the regional state system. I despise republicanism, democracy and any type of liberalism. The state system ensures a culturally, histrically and identity that is not fundamentally unitary. A nation is only a nation when it fully fits these while America has never done so.

@Zoltanous A monarchy was relatively decentralized that local regional cultures throve. It's possible to have a decentralized state without a republican government.

Dont care

Still wont pay my taxes

Or, an easier solution here that requires less typing

Just remove all education requirements, have you raise your kid as you see fit

he can go on to places of education later on if he needs to

@Louis XIV (aka 1685Violin) depends, feudal monarchy was decentralized, absolutism was not and neither was fascism. I'm not interested in Liberalism or the feudal order. I'm interested in Empire, absolutist ontology and metamodernism

This dude has it

@everyone Daily Question 🔖

- It has become clear that the House will be moving on to official Impeachment of President Trump. What do you believe the results of the ensuing senatorial trial will be? How long do you believe it will take to conclude? Is there a possibility that President Trump lies under oath?

I honestly don’t care about any of it

the senate is republican dominated, love him or hate him, hes going nowhere

Infighting between globalists, I couldn't care less.

**american hour bitches**

Bro who the fuck cares

Its gay normie politics

it will never happen under the senete so why do democrats bother.

I wish he was impeached but the senate wont allow it

Pelosi's an old hag, anyway.

But ya know

I say we impeach them all

Yes.

A wise man once said "if we cant vote them out, we must shoot them out. It's our constitutional right, stated in the constitution"

^

american politics went to shit when john mccain left

https://youtu.be/lpG8SFT0N4A

it was shit after 1963 my man

America died with the civil war

Try anytime before the 20th century.

america went to shit when we won the war of 1812

America went to shit with the Revolution.

America went to shit when the Europeans stepped foot on it

scratch that, with the end of Salutory Neglect

lol no it went to shit when it broke from pangea

@ʙɪɢ βɵʂʂ 𠄩 Skipped right over Plymouth Rock.

Lol.

smh, no good neo cons have come around ever since john mccain died (rip king)

who's gonna lobby for bombing iran now?

>neoconservatism

it should die off with the boomers

I’ll do it if nobody else will. @901

does anyone actually give a shit about the impeachment hearings? It just feels like such a waste of time

I do. Wouldn’t have asked the question otherwise. @Deli.v2

Mostly because I see it as a potential way to determine if the partisanship of the GOP has gone too far.

@DrRisen Asking a foreign leader to investigate an American commiting crimes in America using a foreign nation is not impeachable

@Maksim Would you agree that an investigation by a foreign power into Biden could be beneficial to Trump’s election campaign?

Biden gave foreign aid money to Ukraine, but he didnt, he gave it to the largest bank in Ukraine, owned by the same person who owned a oil and gas company which Bidens son was on the board of directors on even tho he has no experience with oil or gas

@DrRisen That is utterly and completely irrelevant

Humor me.

You can not ignore Bidens crimes

I mean his son is a tried-and-true piece of shit.

The partisanship of the Dems has gone too far

It is unacceptable

He flunked out as an LDO in the US Navy because he tested positive for cocaine.

Well, so much for having a conversation.

Ukraine has missed out on billions of foreign aid money because Biden funneled money thru a bamk and gas company back to his son and himself @DrRisen

I think you can understand why I hate Biden

The Dems are unbelievably partisan

I absolutely understand why you would hate the man, but my question remains.

The question is ingenious

As I asked, just humor me.

No

The question is disingenious

Ignores heaps of context and information

@DrRisen I can pitch my thoughts in.

Regarding your campaign question.

Ingenious. That word, you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think t means.

@Enkrum Go ahead.

Disingenious

I fixed it

Kk.

I'd make a deal to inpeach Trump if Biden and his son and all those involved in this as also put behind bars

@Maksim I can assure you I am being sincere, but if you don’t believe so then there’s not much of a point in conversing with me is there.

I believe that if the investigation came to ultimately nothing or became a deadlock before the elections, it could definitely be used as leverage against the incumbent Democratic Party within the US government.

Specifically, Trump, and not just him, can use it as a catalyst to influence public opinion that the Democrats have led a four year-long investigation, with so much money, so much time, and so much effort, that has provided no proof nor any feasible results. It can most certainly be used as a political weapon for the upcoming elections.

@DrRisen I don't see the point in talking with you if you don't agree Biden and his son, along with all those involved are also criminally guilty and should be put behind bars

I do not know the specifics of the Ukraine situation, so this is a general hypothetical of mine on how things could potentially go.

@Maksim I don’t know. They could be. That said, you know I’m an innocent until proven guilty kind of guy. More to the point though, you asked if the action was impeachable, not if Biden did something highly illegal.

@Enkrum So you would in short agree it has the potential to be beneficial for Trump, yes?

Yes.

It all depends on how it’s framed by him.

@DrRisen Is it impeachable?

To ask a foreign leader to Investigate a crime committed by an American in America using a foreign countries aid money?

For me, I couldn't really give a shit

I think pence would be better anyways

@Maksim If you agree with @Enkrum it would be a conflict of interest, which makes an investigation justifiable because of FEC laws.

This one in particular.

Biden literally violated this but ok ignore that

I disagree it's a conflict of interest, because there is no evidence

All you are doing is drawing imaginary connections

No tangible proof

Zelensky himself denied quid pro quo

A conflict of interest isn’t evidence based, its context based. The presence of a motive so to speak.

Conflict of interest is evidence based in court

Context can be interpreted to fit whatever narrative you want

It is unreliable

It’s evidence at minimum to warrant an investigation into if the possibility of malpractice holds any water.

I don't really care about the investigation

And that is what impeachment would cause, an investigation into the matter.

I don't care if he gets impeached

I want to see Biden locked up

Pence would be better anyways

This here is the only thing I’m attempting to address.

If the bidens used US aid dollars and gave it to Ukranian banks to make them rich-while in office-that seems criminal

If you want to talk about motive, look at how pelosi said she wanted to inpeach Trump *and pence, that is motive

Because she would be next in line for the presidency

As per the line of succession

@Shalopy Biden gave foreign aid money to Ukraine, but he didnt, he gave it to the largest bank in Ukraine, owned by the same person who owned a oil and gas company which Bidens son was on the board of directors on even tho he has no experience with oil or gas

Has she said anything about Pence?

@DrRisen yes

And does such an action violate FEC laws?

I haven't read FEC laws

I would assume so

Conflict of interest

"Foreign aid" as in govt expenditures for self-enrichment. Not sure if that would fall under FEC or not

Conflict of interest isn’t inherently illegal.

It might

It’s when one of the two interests is illegal.

@DrRisen there you go then

It's illegal

Pelosi and Dems want to inpeach Trump and pence so that pelosi becomes president

Doing things for self financial benefit is basically illegal

...

The partisanship of the Dems is

Unbelievable