This is socialization if you don't throw insults arround with your friends guess what you don't have friends.

Banter isn't the same

@Josh42A

You two get a room lol

@Lem ?

Oh the two guys arguing over something @Josh42A

This is a room for that though so I'm confused.

Arguing in <#452955265961164800> would be weird

Irma likes to argue with me whenever she gets a chance

Well you aren't exactly logical

I'm not a materialist

Women don't belong in combat situations

I'm not a materialist either formal logic isn't a materialist concept.

Yes it is LOL

Explain what race is to me, please

Genetic variances that have minor medical and cosmetic changes to the body.

That's physical

You brought up race not me

Race isn't just physical

If you only believe its physical and not metaphysical as well, you are a materialist

So you have re defined materialist to something completely separate from what it means

Materialist is material

You by definition stated a material difference with genetics

Yes race is material as humans are material

Race is also metaphysical

So supernatural oh good you are rediculous

>supernatural

Tell me, are you either circumcised or have ingested flouride when you were a child?

Nothing you are saying follows logic which is actually a metaphysical concept.

Simple question which affects how your body produces hormones

It follows logic, you're just not well-read up on this

thought for the day

Heresy has 6 letters

you are always 6 letters from damnation

^^^^things like this

is why i play nids

How high were you guys

spectrum worthyyy

Idk about them but im as high as giraffe pussy

Giraffe pussy is placed the highest out of all animals right?

Any animal pussy experts?

nice

I don't mean to stir things up for trouble, but is it true this server once had a rouge admin?

yeah

that's a major rip

He’s gone

You can’t really trust anyone

not even yourself

🤔

Hmmmm

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🤔🔫🤔

🤔🔫🤔☄️

mmm watcha say

It has been 4 hours since I successfully sucked my own penis. Things are much different now. As soon as mouth-to-penis contact was made, I felt a shockwave through my body. I has reason to believe I have super strength and telekinesis now. 3 hours after contact, I noticed a van parked on my street, but no one bas entered or exited the vehicle since its arrival. I fear for my safety, I’m not sure what sort of power I may have stumbled upon but it is highly possible that the government has found out

shitty server

Pebble angry

Peggle

@PebbЛe

Anyone wanna have a discussion about theology with me?

God and the like

@jobby 123 hahahahaha! Wut?

@Rob Travis (Mason) what kind of gods you into?

i wanted to look at the philosophical implications of god as a concept

you're thinking mythology

im looking for something i little more profound

wanna discuss?

Im not really into theology. Some other guys here are.

@Rob Travis (Mason) you were created 5 days ago making all claims wothless change my mind.

@Rob Travis (Mason) You talking about the allegories in religion and how seeing them as literal things is bad?

@CasualDevil i was thinking of more along the lines of the notion of free will and creation

>implying the literal interpretation is bad
nah man, the literal and metaphorical interpretations together at the same time is 💯

^

depends on the context tho

>implying the initial context of the story isn't the only one that should ever be considered

@Lotus Calme Perhaps when it is both since they convey the reality of sacrifice, but as you see in many religions of the past with indoctrination systems, people do bad things from the literal context

"bad things"

hey my god is the truth from my holy text, your god is bad and must be killed off

I agree, My God is Truth

and your god is a demon

you must turn from your ways or be subjugated

the way we can determine on what holy script is right is by three factors

is it the old testament?
is it the new testament?
is it Christ-centered?
😉

im getting to that

@Lotus Calme
See the issue from that thinking is it stems from a church system much like your opponent

lemme finish

hang on you two

the three factors have to do with the four questions in a theological setting

What are the three ideas lol?

Hang on computer crashed, now on my phone

kkk

The three ideas are correspondence, coherence, and provable falsifiability

And each of those are tests to the theology of a religion

And a religion’s ideology is based on four questions mankind asks itself

Morals

Destiny

Meaning

And origin

Each answer to the four fundamental questions must be coherent, must corespond with reality, and must be provably true

okay, that falsifiability was throwing me off there

Ye

To give an example, if Christ said he’d return as a spirit rather than a body he wouldn’t be provably falsifiable, because you have no we to prove or disprove a spirit

That’s what I mean by provably falsifiable

If it is wrong, then one can prove it

It seems like a pretty solid definition of what makes a religion, as the attempt of it is to try to comprehend truth. But there also exist paradoxes too from our lack of understanding

So it's ideology is narrow minded despite it's efforts of trying to make sense of the order of nature

Yeah, the fix to most parodoxes in this case though would be to study further and absorb more information

that too can help with advancements

Exactly

You guys catch on fast

Most of the people I try to talk to about this seem mostly from r/atheism

fuck plebbit honestly lol

Damn straight

yknow I wonder with the idea of a transcendental law or being romantics would talk about, what does that imply for freewill?

It implies free will exists

one, because we can chose to disobey the transcendent laws

two, because if humans have a nature and only that nature we hove no capacity to seek the truth, and many of us have sought the truth

I might be confusing transcendentalism for Immanence with the orders of nature

Free will isn’t real

Cause and effect prevents it from existing

how so?

All decisions come from influences

We can’t make them without an influence

so you're telling me that as an automaton?

And everyone makes decisions in a certain way depending on their brain

then how is it the moment i make a truth claim or seek out the truth i rise above predeterminalism?

Can something come out from a vacuum?

the laws of entropy say no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D64MiGLQ30w

watch this for some context to my arguments

i parasphrased him a little

A true vacuum can’t exist

also false

The decision making process is just multiple chemical reactions

It can be predicted

Not with current technology

But one choice can only be made

you mean the physical manifestation of free will can be

but not the free will itself

We’re not really the one deciding

No free will

i use my free will to disagree with you

It feels as if we are making decisions but it’s always the most logical outcome in its own way

You don’t really get to choose

Me messages are causing you to say that

then why is the argument here arbitrary?

My*

Are you choosing to say what you say for a reason?

not really

That can’t be true

There isn’t always deeper meaning

i simply chose to disagree with you

There’s a reason you disagree with me

It’s not random

i have no reason to disagree with you other than i disagree with you

I believe in the romanticism movement

and thats not even a real reason

I caused you to disagree with me

because?

how you do that?

You saw something that you didn’t believe and your natural reaction is to disagree with me

I said that free will doesn’t exist

That’s the cause

no, i just chose to disagree with you

And your choices come solely from influences

Not always

false

That’s what free will is

I wonder

exactly @iowa

are electrons actually a probability?

free will is arbitrary and simple, thats also the beauty behind it

People aren’t chained down by influences, people act the way their brain has decided to

Your brain is an influence

You don’t get to decide what your brain looks like and how it acts

your brain is the way you physically manifest choice in the real world

not its influence

It’s just input and output

The brain is behind everything, it’s more than influence it’s the one formulating and making the decision

then how can i make truth claims?

And it makes its decisions in a logical way

Not random

once i make a truth claim, i rise above determinalism

Not always, it can be random

rest in peace @Erik (UA-KR), suicide by overdose of Thorazine today at 8:42pm PST

How can it be random?

What are mental disorders?

you forget to use the logic you have at your deposal thats how

He wasnt on this server but is it ok if i use at @ here for an announcement somewhere

Just differences in the brain

Yeah

Oh

Even healthy people can bypass that rational filter

He left the server

if all choices are logical outcomes, then how come we make illogical choices every day?

This, you’re giving people too much credit

That’s not what I mean by logical

Scientifically logical

Your brain follows scientific laws

It had to

And that means that it can only follow one path

No

even if thats the case, how come we make choices that dont somehow benefit us one way or another and are completely arbitrary?

I don’t know the exact science

But they all have to come from somewhere

because it doesnt exist

there is no science behind free will

only us

It doesn’t need science if it doesn’t exist

which is why you dont know it

because it doesnt need it, so it doesnt have it

Everything has science behind it

It can not need it

false

Can’t*

still false

What doesn’t need science?

nothing

if we came from nothing

then

So everything needs science?

and if our choices always somehow lead to death

i.e. nothing

then, we have free will, because it comes from nothing

If free will doesn’t exist then how do people even function on a day to day basis?

*drops mic*

Because our brain works

There are no choices

Only input and output

i just told you

Yes there are, your brain makes choices consciously and subconsciously

one moment, are you a naturalist or a theist?

But there can only be one choice because of how our brain works

It could be predicted

no it cant

There are not random elements

How does the brain work to only have one outcome?

Scientific law

It has to follow the rules of the universe

There is no room for multiple choices

@Slendy are you a naturalist or a theist?

I just did all the work I can do in my shift with 7 hours to go

The rules of the universe are pretty expansive, there’s plenty room for interpretation

also to the thing you just said, then what if the choice has no right or wrong answer?

what then of free will?

Naturalist

ah, now i get it

even then, the moment i seek the truth, i rise above being predetermined

How can the rules of the universe have different interpretations?

I believe the one true truth